I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Jan 10, 2010 4:14 PM
Location: L.A. area
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I know I could do a search. I know I've done so before. Right now I am just soooo not in the mood to go back and look for and read latex info.

I want to buy 1" or 2" of Dunlop latex (because I've slept on Talalay and never Dunlop; want to try the Dunlop). Can someone remind me who has it cheapest? I know I investigated this 4-5 months ago but I have completely forgotten.

I took all memory foam out of my mattress last night and slept better than I have in weeks. Still woke up with a sore back, but much better. The only other time I tried it without the memory foam was when I used 2 x 1" of my soft latex and I think that was too much soft foam for me. Now I'm back to 1" of soft latex without the memory foam and it's better, but I do guess that my HR foam has crapped out, so time to replace it with latex.

What ILD do you recommend for my bottom layer(s) over my springs? When my bed was working for me, I only had 1" of HR foam over the springs so I am guessing that should do it with the latex as well. I think the ILD I used was about 32, so with Dunlop I might want to go with 28? or would that be too soft? (as I recall, Dunlop is naturally firmer than Talalay so you use a lower ILD, no?) Also, I'm not sure - maybe I can find this in my receipt somewhere - the HR foam might have been as high as 36ILD. I had 3 ILD's one firm, one medium and one very firm, and I used the medium sometimes and the firm sometimes, but don't recall the exact ILD's.
This message was modified Jan 10, 2010 by jimsocal
Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #68 Jan 20, 2010 3:46 PM
Location: L.A. area
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Okay, folks, thank you for all your info and suggestions and support!

I finally made the plunge and ordered from SleepEZ:

1" twin 32ILD Natural Talalay layer (LI, I think) $78
1.5" twin 32ILD Natural Dunlop layer (Latex Green) $105
+49 shipping

There is no exchange on "components" as they call them (I call them layers) unless they are part of a whole mattress order.

They did not have the 1.5" Dunlop in stock so they said they'd get it on Friday and would ship on Monday.

I can't wait to try it and see if it helps my back ache. My back ache during the night and morning have gotten better since I got rid of the memory foam, but I'm still having it and my theory - and the reason for the order above - is that I believe my HR foam layer has crapped out.

We will see.

I may or may not post much here until I get and try the layers above, but I will post about them when I get them and try them.
Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #69 Jan 20, 2010 3:50 PM
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Jimsocal, can't wait for your reports.
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Reply #70 Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM
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Slides wrote:
Jimsocal, can't wait for your reports.

+1. 
Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #71 Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM
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budgy wrote:

thinner sheets of latex will typically break in/down a little bit faster than a thicker core, much in the same way that shredded rubber pillows although very comfortable do not stay resilient for as long as a solid core pillow. 


I'm sorry for resurrecting this oldish thread, but it's so informative and I'm too lazy to start a new thread. So,  budgy, maybe you'll see this.  You said the above in response to someone who had some compression only a month after sleeping on a new bed. 

I was almost ready to order a SleepEz 10,000 but am having serious doubts after reading this. Now I'm wondering if maybe I should reconsider, and go with something with a 6" Dunlop core. For instance, Foam Source sells those. The reasons I crossed that off my list was that they only have free shipping over $1,000 and even that is to the curb only. The thought of hauling something that heavy and awkward, possibly by myself, up my long driveway put me off. That and the returns and exchange issue being not as good as SleepEz and FloBeds. But maybe its worth it in the long run?

Can others who have had latex mattresses with 3" layers (any kind, Dunlop, talalay blends and natural) for longer periods of time please comment on whether or not they have compressed much?

In the meantime, I have just discovered that a local store sells  Natura beds, so I'm going to go take a look at those.

Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #72 Apr 19, 2010 1:04 PM
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Hi there,  I've had mine (blended Talalay) for several months (5?) and have not noticed any compression.  Somewhere I remember reading a compression chart of different types and manufacturers of latex.  I'll have to see if I can dig it up today and post the link.  I don't remember where I saw it, but I may very well have it bookmarked.  If memory serves though, it was the LI blended that had the least compression over time.

Also, if you look at the Flobeds website and do a little digging, they have a short video (I think it's under Dunlop vs Talalay) that shows the results of unpacking two pieces of latex that had been stored compressed for several years.  The Talalay springs back to life when uncompressed, and the Dunlop does not fare as well.

http://www.flobeds.com/TalalayVsDunlop.htm

Ok, here's a link to the compression chart.  I have seen this same chart on a different web source, but I can't find it.  This web page doesn't reference the source material for the chart:

http://matresses101guide.com/Mattress_Construction_Mattress_Upholstery_and_foam_beds.html

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Reply #73 Apr 19, 2010 3:56 PM
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Well, M. Jones, we have had our split eastern king three layer (all 3" dunlop) mattress for almost two years.  There is no noticable impression, nor any apparent wear on any of the latex. 

However, we do have a snugfleece original topper that does compress and does require more attention than we would like to give it. 

 

Philip

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Reply #74 Apr 19, 2010 5:25 PM
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cynicaljones wrote:


I'm sorry for resurrecting this oldish thread, but it's so informative and I'm too lazy to start a new thread. So,  budgy, maybe you'll see this.  You said the above in response to someone who had some compression only a month after sleeping on a new bed. 

I was almost ready to order a SleepEz 10,000 but am having serious doubts after reading this. Now I'm wondering if maybe I should reconsider, and go with something with a 6" Dunlop core. For instance, Foam Source sells those. The reasons I crossed that off my list was that they only have free shipping over $1,000 and even that is to the curb only. The thought of hauling something that heavy and awkward, possibly by myself, up my long driveway put me off. That and the returns and exchange issue being not as good as SleepEz and FloBeds. But maybe its worth it in the long run?

Can others who have had latex mattresses with 3" layers (any kind, Dunlop, talalay blends and natural) for longer periods of time please comment on whether or not they have compressed much?

In the meantime, I have just discovered that a local store sells  Natura beds, so I'm going to go take a look at those.


I wouldn't worry about 3" thick or even 2" thick cores degrading faster.  I was just thinking for really thin sheets of latex because I know in our customers own experiences that shredded rubber pillows lose resiliency faster than solid cores.

Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #75 Apr 19, 2010 5:30 PM
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Thanks. I had seen that video before. I'd like to know whether or not that Dunlop piece ever bounced back fully, though.

So, I'll probably be OK with 3 inch layers, then?

 

The Natura beds I saw today were not the full latex ones, sadly, :-( but they did have this wonderful organic wool and cotton mattress pad that was total luxury. They had one Englander bed that had a top layer of latex. I liked it well enough, though I think it could have been cushier, and probably would have if it had had a cover on it.

Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #76 Apr 19, 2010 6:12 PM
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man...I really don't understand some retailers.  they carry the brand...but don't carry the mattresses that most people actually want lol. 
Re: I am just plain lazy today ;-D - I need some info from latex buyers/users
Reply #77 Apr 19, 2010 6:25 PM
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It's a really small store with only two locations. They probably have to be careful what they stock. The salesman told me that most people can't take the sticker shock of an all latex mattress sold retail.

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