- Newton's Third Law of Motion states that any time a force acts from one object to another, there is an equal force acting back on the original object. If you pull on a rope, therefore, the rope is pulling back on you as well
latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
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The latex bounces, how wil then provide pressure relief and support? May be some support but pressure relief - I don't think so. So latex does not work. Also latex is Not comfortable since it has bounce and PUSHBACK. This message was modified Dec 2, 2011 by Joed
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Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
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RustyShackleford wrote: You don't have a vendetta do you ? THat being said, I decided to ditch my latex core (from an old mattress where it was married with cheap pu eggcrate) in favor of some high-quality (hopefully, time will tell) p/u from FBM. I vastly prefer it. Hwoever, I still like a latex topper.
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If memory foam does not provide push back than how does it provide support? What exactly do you mean latex does not work? Can you clarify what a mattress needs to accomplish before it works? You have basically said that memory foam does not support because it doesn't push back, and latex does not provide pressure relief because it does push back. Using this logic it is impossible for ANY bed to do both. Although I should refrain, I feel the need to post this...I have no self control these days: |
Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
| In other words, all mattresses push back an equal amount of force on your body. This force is equal to the weight of your body pushing down on the mattress, the amount of pressure has to do with how much contact area there is to spread this force out more evenly over your body. For example when you sleep on your side, your shoulders and hips sink into the bed greatly creating more pressure on these areas than on other body parts. When sleeping on the same bed on your back, you will have less pressure overall due to having more surface area to spread the same weight out. Some beds are more conforming than others, this is defined in part by how elastic a bed is...latex foam is elastic and flexible, hence it is pressure relieving compared to a rigid firm mattress...unless of course you are sleeping on a super firm latex mattress. Memory foam is pliable and cradling; but ultimately still pushes back with the same total amount of force once it has adjusted; it just feels different and your posture may be slightly different than it is on a latex mattress. |
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budgy wrote: In other words, all mattresses push back an equal amount of force on your body. This force is equal to the weight of your body pushing down on the mattress, the amount of pressure has to do with how much contact area there is to spread this force out more evenly over your body. For example when you sleep on your side, your shoulders and hips sink into the bed greatly creating more pressure on these areas than on other body parts. When sleeping on the same bed on your back, you will have less pressure overall due to having more surface area to spread the same weight out. Some beds are more conforming than others, this is defined in part by how elastic a bed is...latex foam is elastic and flexible, hence it is pressure relieving compared to a rigid firm mattress...unless of course you are sleeping on a super firm latex mattress. Memory foam is pliable and cradling; but ultimately still pushes back with the same total amount of force once it has adjusted; it just feels different and your posture may be slightly different than it is on a latex mattress. I also read about pushback at this forum. It is not the same feeling I got with poly foam. The latex is bouncy and it is rubber. Try sleeping on rubber. It pinches even though it may be the softest. that pinch is pushback I guess. Very uncomfortable. If latex was so good we would have latex stores everywhere and latex beds would be carried at major retail stores too. Reality is here mattress firm and mattress giant have stopped carrying all latex beds they had. Because they told me they don't sell. Well they would sell if they were any goood wouldnt they? If latex was so great all stores would be carrying latex beds. But reality is almost no retail stores do. And it is pretty big hasle for most people to buy mattresses over the internet. people want to lay down on the beds in a store and feel them. Well there are no latex mattresses here. Because as I said if they were so good stores would carry them. But they don't. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by Joed
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When someone say "this does not work for me" (as I myself have done recently writing about my experience of a latex core and my preference for p/u), that is reasonable. When someone makes a blanket statement like "latex does not work" and "latex is not comfortable", it seems a little odd. What IS nonsense is to assume that whatever is true for one person is true for all people - especially on something as personal as a bed. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by RustyShackleford
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Joed wrote:
I also read about pushback at this forum. It is not the same feeling I got with poly foam. The latex is bouncy and it is rubber. Try sleeping on rubber. It pinches even though it may be the softest. that pinch is pushback I guess. Very uncomfortable. If latex was so good we would have latex stores everywhere and latex beds would be carried at major retail stores too. Reality is here mattress firm and mattress giant have stopped carrying all latex beds they had. Because they told me they don't sell. Well they would sell if they were any goood wouldnt they? If latex was so great all stores would be carrying latex beds. But reality is almost no retail stores do. And it is pretty big hasle for most people to buy mattresses over the internet. people want to lay down on the beds in a store and feel them. Well there are no latex mattresses here. Because as I said if they were so good stores would carry them. But they don't. |
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RustyShackleford wrote: When someone say "this does not work for me" (as I myself have done recently writing about my experience of a latex core and my preference for p/u), that is reasonable. When someone makes a blanket statement like "latex does not work" and "latex is not comfortable", it seems a little odd. What IS nonsense is to assume that whatever is true for one person is true for all people - especially on something as personal as a bed. Latex does pushback and it pushes back hard. I have had 3 latex mattresses, the firm ones and the softest ones and so I am talking from experience. May be you are "one" of those oddballs that like the pushback from a mattress. 99% of people don't. Most people do not find pushback "conmfortable" This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by roy1
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budgy wrote: 2 inch of celsion latex upon 1 inch of dunlop latex upon 2 inch of talalaly latex and all this 6 inch sits atop a 8 inch base of some fancy name they call "soy foam" I slept on it for 30 minutes and it seemed soft. Perhaps all night sleeping would be different. I don't know since I have had enough of latex. It did not work for me after 3 mattresses. The firm ones and the soft ones all had pushbacks. The feeling is totally unpleasant. It may support but it does not provide presure relief. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by roy1
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So you are saying that a fast responding mattress is uncomfortable. So springs and latex don't work for 99% of people, I would say that overall most surveys and studies would disagree with you. So the only comfortable mattress for those 99% would be what? Memory foam because it is slow response and does not have the 'push back'? I think I need to stop posting here...because I am having a hard time absorbing these ridiculous blanket statements...you offer no real advice, you offer no solutions...you simply point the finger at one product which has worked for many people and say 'it's no good'. |
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roy1 wrote:
Latex does pushback and it pushes back hard. I have had 3 latex mattresses, the firm ones and the softest ones and so I am talking from experience. May be you are "one" of those oddballs that like the pushback from a mattress. 99% of people don't. Most people do not find pushback "conmfortable" You seem easily provoked, sorry for feding into that. But I mainly want to learn. So I'm actually glad to hear that I'm not nuts for not liking the latex core (that I pulled from a mattress of latex+eggcrate). I just hope the p/u I replaced it with lasts awhile; but it's cheap enough to replace fiarly often I guess. I still think I like the latex topper. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by RustyShackleford
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