| I've was looking for a new mattress and in my search came across this site. I was just looking for something to give me a better night’s sleep, something to help me feel more rested in the morning. I tend to toss and turn a lot. I saw the posts about mattress surgery and figured if I was going to throw out my mattress why not try some surgery first. My mattress is a 2002 Simmons mattress. I figured I'd just remove everything and was left with just the coils which are in very good condition. As everyone else who has done surgery has noticed there is nothing but cheap foam in the mattress. This was a non flip mattress. On the bottom was 3/4 of an inch of light PU foam. The top had a thin fabric on top of the coils, then the same 3/4 inch light weight foam. On top of that was a 1 additional inch of the same foam. The top layer is comprised of a thin soft egg crate piece, a very soft 1/2 inch foam piece and some fabric all sewn together. I'm trying to figure out what layers to put on top of it. Right now I have the cheap 3/4 inch foam that came with the bed, and a 1 inch latex (32 ILD from FBM). Feels pretty good but can feel the springs a little bit. What good HR foam should I put between the 1" latex and the springs so I don't feel them? I don't want to put too much HR foam and take away from the feel of the springs; I just don't want to feel the springs. I am very happy with the feel of the latex from FBM so I intend to order the HR foam from them. Should I get LUX HQ ,HD36 HQ, LUX Reg - and how thick? Really just looking for the thinnest amount so as to not change the feel of the springs but to not feel the springs, if that makes sense. The 3/4" cheap compresses so much it’s like it’s not there. . Eventually I’m also planning on getting an additional 1" of latex 20ILD on top of the 1" latex 32ILD I have now. I like the feel of latex. The 1" pieces of latex compress a lot and feels soft so I doubt 2" total will be enough to not feel the springs. Definitely think I need this piece of HR foam after the springs. Any recomendations would be appreciated. |
| hrrrm may be a continuous coil in the end....guess there are some differences in the product in the states and canada. |
Guess this would have been the easiest way from the start. Is this a continuous coil? I through from researching a continuous coil was a single wire along a whole row. Each coil is made from a single cut piece of wire and is held to the next coil with additional wire. Sorry these were the best pictures my camera phone could get. |
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nope im wrong yet again...this just shows you how different this stuff can be from one region to another. that is a double offset coil. very similar to what sealy used to use in their posturepedics. so I was batting 0 for 2 on my guesses lol. This message was modified May 18, 2010 by budgy
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So that is not a bad spring, is it, Budgy? As I recall you said that Sealy offset springs were pretty good? Or am I mistaken? Hey Budgy, if I may interject a question here that is unrelated, is there a good way to soften my springs? Could I walk on them? If so, should I walk with just a thin layer of HR foam (1/2") or what? I really feel they are too stiff for me. If I was working I'd go out and buy new springs, but I'm not so... Jasesun: I'm not against HR or HD foam per se. I used it for a long time. I still have a lot of it around so sometimes when I decide my mattress could be better I try it. My wife is using a 1/2" layer of 45ILD next to the springs and a 1" layer of 32ILD or so under her latex and memory foam layers and her bed feels better than mine. I think it's her Sealy springs though that I like better than my Englander springs. I used the 3/4" or so of memory foam right on my springs, to soften up the feel of the springs a bit and it seems to work. Like you say, the thing about HR is that it's cheap, especially where I get mine (a nearby furniture foam warehouse). But I do think latex is better if you can afford it. For experimenting it may be just fine and who knows maybe it will last a while for you. Just remember that if you mattress suddenly begins to not feel right after it was feeling right, then it could be due to the HR foam having given out. |
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in many respects this is actually a very good coil. for those who have a preference to stay away from really high end pocket coils this would be one of the best remaining options. there really isn't any way that you can soften the steel....if it becomes softer over time its really just the metal fatiguing which isn't really a good thing. |
| Jim you should steal your wifes springs, maybe she won't notice. I have two 1/4" peices of LUX regular 50 IDL foam / 1.8 density as well as 1" 20IDL latex on its way. The plan is the springs, 1/4" piece of HR foam, 1" latex 32 IDL, 1" latex 20 IDL, cuddle bed. I'll have it all by Thursday. Not sure i'll be keeping the cuddlebed as I'm liking the feel of the latex with just a cotton sheet on top. But I'll give it a try since costco takes everything back. The other piece of 1/4" LUX reg is for the bottom of the springs so I can encase the whole thing in an allergy cover. I'll see how it works out. |
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budgy wrote: in many respects this is actually a very good coil. for those who have a preference to stay away from really high end pocket coils this would be one of the best remaining options. there really isn't any way that you can soften the steel....if it becomes softer over time its really just the metal fatiguing which isn't really a good thing. Can you actually see the steel dip in the middle like I have seen someone's pictures on this forum? I believe that was a new mattress and I always feel like they make them half as good as they use to. Half as strong I should say. |
| My mattress is 8 years old. It was the non flip mattress type. But now looking at the springs I can't tell why I wouldn't be able to flip the springs and use the other side if I was so inclined to do so. The bottom seems to be identical to the top. In its original form the top had much more foam as well as quilting so of course you could only use one side. Makes me think the only difference between a flippable mattress and a non flippable would be the padding they used. By using less material on one side they would save money and the mattress life would be shorter. This makes good business sense if your only goal is to maximize profits. |
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Every time metal is under load it is being stressed and fatigued, even if the load is miniscule. How thick the wire is and how strong the steel is are really the limiting factors on how long you can keep a coil.....but no one can really answer that. I would say so long as the coils are essentially level they have not changed dramatically. And yes this coil is not non-flip specific. However because the coil is basically symmetrical. There is no need to flip the coil either...the working wire (the coils that are not on the ends of the spring) are the parts of the coil itself that will actually provide your support, once these have started to collapse they will collapse evenly among each coiling. You might want to use the coil on the other side now since it will give the helical lacing wires that were on the top a chance to rest so to speak. |
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jasesun23 wrote: Jim you should steal your wifes springs, maybe she won't notice. I have two 1/4" peices of LUX regular 50 IDL foam / 1.8 density as well as 1" 20IDL latex on its way. The plan is the springs, 1/4" piece of HR foam, 1" latex 32 IDL, 1" latex 20 IDL, cuddle bed. I'll have it all by Thursday. Not sure i'll be keeping the cuddlebed as I'm liking the feel of the latex with just a cotton sheet on top. But I'll give it a try since costco takes everything back. The other piece of 1/4" LUX reg is for the bottom of the springs so I can encase the whole thing in an allergy cover. I'll see how it works out. As to stealing my wife's springs, she does notice! She finds my mattress too firm as I do, and she also has back problems so I have to just get new springs for me, eventually, when I can afford it. I'll buy the offset Sealy springs that are like yours - or whoever has a similar spring the cheapest. OR, depending on how much money I have, I might try a custom built bed by some small manufacturer. Some day I may get just the right combination of springs and foam! This message was modified May 19, 2010 by jimsocal
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