Mattress Forum

1) That link was actually for organic latex. They call it "Natural Organic Latex Mattress Queen 13,000 Select Sleep" and it seems to be top of their line mattress. The price is pretty steep, but it's not all that much more expensive than TP memory foam. I'd put them in the same category pricewise.

2) Could it be that you felt the latex mattress you got (blended tallalay) was springy was because it was...well...blended? From what I read...blended latex may have this characteristic as oppose to organix (well, 97% organic) latex? The more it's blended with syntetic latex the more "springy" it gets from what I understand? I will check memory foam in TP mattresses out, but I'm not sure I'm crazy about idea of a mattress "hugging" me from all directions. Could be a good feeling or could feel a little crrepy. I'll have to test it out.

3) Good to know the foundation is also refundable. I suppose whether they come and take it or you take it to the store yourself will depend on specific's store policy not necessarily TP return policy?

Regards,

-Tony.
 

2) I really don't know how all natural latex would have felt here at home.   This Cloud doesn't 'hug from all directions', it just feels really solid and still, especially on the heavy adjustable base (it weighs over 175 lbs!).   I still think, don't go too soft on memory foam mattresses.  It's easy to get drawn into the 12" Cloud Luxe which has a lot of memory foam.  Don't sink too far into the mattress.  I think it is best to go a little firmer.

I like feel of the Cloud.  I'm not crazy about the slow reacting, firmer foam on the Contour Select and Signature or the original bed or Advantage or Deluxe TP bed (both are discontinued).

Memory foam mattresses are completely flat, no 'tucks' like on most conventional mattresses.  I like a smooth surface.  The latex mattress on box didn't feel as solid to me, harder to get comfortable.

3) Every mattress seller has trucks for pickup of delivery.  Almost any customer wouldn't have a truck big enough to haul one.  Plus they don't have mattress bags. 

Retailers often require a matching foundation for a mattress.  I don't think you'd want to put a new mattress on an old foundation anyway.   Maybe on a really good one if it's a good match.  Tempurpedics must go on their matching foundation.  I wouldn't put a Tempurpedic on a box spring, no way. 

FYI, see www.beddingcomponents.com  Around here all of the S brand boxes are L&P 'semi-flex'(R) innards.  Original Mattress Factory seems to use a different type of L&P box component, kind of like a spring.

Springs could sag, so don't use them anymore.   A few high-end mfrs still make true box springs like McCroskey, Kluft, etc... but they are rare and cost a fortune.  Boxes cost over $1k.

 

I was able to try the Savvy mattress at a local store.  The Talalay was too plush for me and I went with Firm Medium Soft Dunlop 10" Serenity in Queen.  The mattress feels a bit firmer than the one I tried in the store.  I have it on <a href="http://www.amenityhome.com/furniture/reclaimed-wood-bedroom-furniture/amenity-muir-bed.html">this platform bed</a>.  The mattress does not have any issues with feeling different at the edge of the bed.  It feels perfectly flat no matter where I sleep.  I replaced a waterbed so I didn't have a suitable frame/box spring to try with the latex.  The mattress softened up a bit after 2-3 weeks making it really comfortable.  I am very happy with my mattress.

I think the base you use can make a difference in the feel of a mattress.

Right on with that.  It's possible slpngoc's spring foundation sinks more in the middle naturally, causing this.

I found a store that has SavvyRest mattresses, so I wanted to check them out too, but I was stupid enough not to call ahead so they were closed for the Columbus Days (yeah, weird). I just want to lay down on a natural latex mattress and see what it feels like before I order something off the internet. Macys didn't have any of those. They did however have a mattress with inteligel which felt nice. May be I should try Sleepys? They have Dr. Breus, Sleep Options, and Pure Latex Bliss. I'm not sure I heard about any of these though.

Tony; thank you for your comparo of the Essentia beds to the Tempur-Pedic.

It is misleading to say latex pushes back against you more then the tempurpedic does. The push back against you equaly. It is a battle between weight and gravity. If you apply 100lbs of weight to either foam you will sink until the foam provides 100lbs of resistance. Latex does recover to its original shape much faster then memory foam. Tempurpedic is designed to conform and recover very slowly. They are 2 different types of foam that have 2 compleletly different comfort levels. Some people do like the feeling of the mattress slowly comfoming around them and other dont like that feeling. Both Tempurpedic and Latex Mattresses are great products with excellent durabilty. Tempurpedic still hasnt been around quite long enough to say they last as long as latex mattress, but so far they are making a good showing.

I have seen an 18yr old Tempurpedic that looked in very good shape for the age and was still a supportive mattress and I have seen a 30 yr old latex bed that was in just as good of shape as the 18yr old tempurpedic. Both beds were primary beds for 2 adults.

Mixing Polyurethane foams with latex will typically shorten the life of latex, but will bring the price down considerably.

One more thing is buying a mattress without a matching boxspring does not void the warranty. The warranty states "If it is not on a supportive foundation it will void your warranty." With that said if you do not buy a matching foundation most comapines (or atleast all that I know) will not offer a comfort exchange. So if you are not comfortable with the mattress they will not take it back, because it most likely will feel different on your platform bed or a different type of box spring. This affects only the comfort and not the warranty.

3) Tempurpedic warranty - ' If the TP mattress is placed on anything other than a TP foundation, the burden of proof of structural capacity of foundation in the event of warranty claim is transferred to consumer and may place warranty in jeopardy'.

It first states - 'TP mattresses are designed for use with solid surface, non -sprung foundations'.

The only solid surface non TP foundations I've ever seen are adjustable base foundations.  Then there's the plywood over box spring solution.  The TP rep would deny any claim with that setup.

2) I was pretty bummed about how bad the all latex mattress performed on the de facto pine slat foundation.  The pressure points were bad to where my right shoulder was aching badly after 3 nights.  It was the bed for sure.  Perhaps that would have been the time to switch to firm/soft/soft or another combo.  I didn't like it on the box spring either.

I wouldn't say the Cloud recovers really slowly.  The Contours are slow.  Compared to latex, they are slow recovery. I prefer the slow, conforming, solid feel. 

Some of the natural latex beds in Natural Mattress Store felt awfully good, but the no return policy didn't.

1) For #1 you'd have to look at what it takes to call a bed product organic, but a blended latex mattress that's 65% synthetic ingredients in the foam, I'm quite sure one cannot claim as 'organic'.   However, my blended latex mattress didn't off gas.

Your synthetic blend latex didn't offgas that you know of.  Most of the chemicals in synthetic materials used in mattresses are completely odourless.  

Not all latex is even grown organically.  The hevea milk itself would be organic if the land hasnt been treated with any agro chemicals of any kind.  The finished product itself has no 3rd party certification, so the organizations that certify product organically would have to disagree with your opinion.  Sulfur is natural but it is not biological, so no, latex foam even of 100% natural variety still shouldn't be called organic.  Much for the same reason we would not label steel springs as organic.  I am not saying natural rubber is bad, just trying to clarify what the industry labels as organic is actually the hevea milk, not the finished product. 

I hope I don't come off as abrupt, just that if you consider something that is 95% organic to be organic than it really is missing the whole point of what the definition is.  Its like saying we have 100% cotton fabric that is 95% organically grown cotton, the rest of the cotton used is just normal 'natural' cotton.  This is not an organic product.  If that kind of product doesn't get certification than neither should latex foam.  You can label it organically grown and 100% natural but you should not label it  'Organic'.