Today I went around looking for sheets but could not decide. I found 1 Egyptian cotton sheets - Does cotton in them come from Egypt? 2 Pima cotton sheets - what is Pima cotton? 3 Jersey sheets some of which were cotton while others were a blend of cotton and polyster. What are jersey sheets? 4 damask sheets - I don't know what damask means? Can someone tell me please?. Which cotton sheets will feel more luxurious and what is the difference between all these? Thank you. This message was modified Apr 21, 2011 by helpme
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Cotton Types 1. Sea Island Cotton
Egyptian Cotton
The long fiber of the Egyptian cotton means that there are very few breaks between the fibers when twisted into a thread. However the short fibers of cheap cotton mean that there are many breaks. There are a lot more fiber ends and these show up on the surface.
Just like Egyptian cotton is a high quality species of cotton, GIZA is one of the highest qualities of all the varieties of Egyptian cottons. Most of St.Geneve bed linens are made of GIZA Egyptian cotton. It is grown in Egypt and Turkey as well as a few other countries where conditions have to be ideal. Because the fibers are so long, it actually has to be hand harvested in order to keep the fibers intact. Machine harvesting damages the strands.
Weave Types
The difference between satin and sateen is the fact that sateen floats are made up of weft yarns, rather than of warp yarns.
Denim is the best known twill. It is identified by the quite visible diagonal lines in the fabric, and is often a simple "over two, under one" weave. Heavier fabrics are made this way, and they are suitable for featherproof applications such as feather pillows and featherbeds.
Jersey and damask are other ways of weaving fabrics. Jersey fabrics are stretchier but not as smooth as normal plain (percale) or sateen cottons. Damask is another way of saying Jacquard fabrics, these are usually done for decorative purposes, usually only intended for use on duvet covers and decorative pillows/shams. Plain (percale) or Sateen are usually the most desirable weave types for high quality sheeting.
Thread Count Thread Count is Not the Whole Story... Thread count is simply a measure of how many threads are present in a square inch of fabric. It is a combination of the number of horizontal and vertical threads found in that square inch. Thread count is one relatively minor measure of quality in a fabric. The quality of the fiber used to make the thread is far more important than the thread count of the fabric. To make high thread count fabrics, thread must be spun very fine in order to fit a lot into a square inch. It is entirely appropriate to use short staple cotton for fabrics such as denim, canvas and other heavier fabrics. However, when it is used to make fine threads, they are too weak, and the resulting fabric will be unsatisfactory. Start With Good Cotton Fiber ...
These fabrics have the same 300 thread count. The one on the left is of a much lower quality. You can see that the threads are of an uneven size, which results in an uneven weave. There are thin patches throughout this fabric. This will cause the fabric to wear out faster and launder poorly, as it is only as strong as its weakest areas. Poor quality thread is spun from cheap shorter staple cottons.
The fabric on the right is a German made sateen. The mill started with a high quality thread to weave this cloth. It is even, smooth, luxurious and it will provide many years of service. This thread is spun from a more expensive long staple cotton.
Good quality long staple cotton will spin into good quality thread, and good quality thread will weave into good quality fabric. All three stages must be completed in a quality fashion, or the result will be inferior. Some fabrics will appear to be a bargain, but they won't be a pleasure to use, and they won't last. While not obvious on the surface, you can see that close magnified inspection shows a surprisingly large difference. Twisted Yarns There are some genuinely good reasons for the production of "twisted yarns". These are threads that are made by taking very fine threads, and twisting them around each other in the same way that rope is made. Actual rope is much stronger made this way than if it was just a bundle of parallel fibers. In the same way, twisted yarns can make a thread that is stronger and smoother than regular thread. Sewing thread is made up of twisted yarns to make it strong enough for stitching. However, twisted yarns are not appropriate for down proof cloth, as the resulting fabric tends to be heavier and not as soft. It is wonderful for sheets and pillowcases, as it can be quite supple, and is actually thicker feeling than single ply fabrics. Single ply cotton down proof products will go up to 360 TC or so. Silk will go up to about 450 TC. You may find some duvets with thread counts such as 600 - these are twisted yarns, and we don't recommend them. Twisted yarn sheets however, can be quite wonderful. They will last longer, launder better and be more resistant to pilling, provided they have been well milled out of long staple cotton. Unfortunately, some mills have been producing very high thread count fabrics by employing twisted yarns made from cheap cotton. As always, you get what you pay for. In Canada, the law states that thread count is determined by the threads used in the actual weaving - no matter how many yarns or strands make up those threads. USA law is less specific, and thread counts are generally stated by how many yarns or strands went into the fabric. So you may have a fabric legally labeled in Canada as a "two ply 300 thread count", and in the USA it would be labeled as 600 thread count. Please be aware that a lot of packaging in Canada is to USA standards, and is not legal in Canada. If you see a "600 Thread Count" in Canada - it is in all likelihood to be a two or three ply thread.
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If you want to look at the best cotton sheets available, try to find brands like St. Geneve, Sferra, SDH. These companies bring in REAL egpytian cotton fabrics. Most will also send swatches at little or no cost. |
Wow - thanks, Budgy! That's very interesting, useful and helpful information I've never known about before! I am learning SO MUCh from you all, and really appreciate this forum and the great questions and answers.... |
Thank you Budgy and Jimsocal! I love my 300 count sheets from Flobeds since they are 100% cotton, do not sleep hot and are silky to the touch. I also love some sheets I bought from JCPenney a few years ago. I felt the sheets in the store and was surprised that as long as the thread count was 300, then the higher thread count was no longer important. I found out the feel of the sheets was important depending on the type of cotton used and the weave. I think my other sheets are 400 thread count. I can not sleep on 250 or 200 thread count sheets since it is scratchy and uncomfortable. I printed out this thread due to the pictures and description that Budgy sent in that is a real help to all of us. |
Wow thank you Buddy! Not only does that really helps explaining some diffrences,and the pictures, well are worth a thousand words. I too have opted for Egyption cotton sheets and generally find pretty good deals on Amazon for them. |
Budgy, I know a poster on the Garden Decorating Forums that loves Sferra Sheets and now I know why since they use real Egyptian Cotton. I will have to watch out for sales of these type of sheets. I like having a lot of sheets so I can just do one big load of sheets at a time which is best when I am only drying sheets. I also go through a lot of sheets since I wash them often which helps with my allergies not acting up I have learned. I also sometimes get hot flashes and have to change my sheets in the middle of the night. |
Sferra is notorious for their exquisite cotton sheets. Particularly the highest strand count ones they offer, supposed to be some of the best sheets in the world. For other really good sheets you can try to find Micro Modal, or real Linen (from flax). Linen is a little rougher than cotton particularly when it is brand new, but they are strong and last forever...what is particularly great about them is that it is the BEST fabric to use in the summer...if someone is a really hot sleeper than linen would greatly help in taking the edge off. It is far more absorbant than cotton, and also more breathable so it releases moisture quicker, however even if it manages to get damp it will not cling to skin. Good linen is expensive however, and it wrinkles easily. Modal fabrics are much softer than cotton, although not quite as durable...so they require a more delicate washing treatment. But from a luxury standpoint they are quickly becoming popular! St. Geneve and SDH both have some really nice modal sheets. |
Thank you budgy but it still leaves some questions unanswered. 1. what are damask sheets 2. What are jersey sheets. Jim, I don't find jersey sheets hot. I don't know why you say that? Are you talking about some other sheets? 3. How do I identify if Egyptian cotton sheets are really of good quality. I got some from costco and I wonder if they are really of good quality. They are 400n thread count. 4. Pima sheets - I have seen in 600 thread count. I wonder if they would feel hot? Thank you budgy. This message was modified Apr 26, 2011 by helpme
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http://www.snuggledown.com/s/catalog/duvet_covers/agadir/ ^^ This Agadir fabric from SDH is a Jacquard (damask) fabric, the pattern in the fabric is there because of how the fabric is woven. http://www.snuggledown.com/s/catalog/duvet_covers/bregano_solid/ ^^ This Bregano duvet cover from St. Geneve is also a Jacquard fabric. The pattern is not only woven in the fabric it comes from using differently dyed yarns. This means that the yarns are dyed individually and woven right into the fabric so it will not fade over time. http://www.snuggledown.com/s/catalog/bonjour_of_switzerland/schlossberg_alena/ ** This Alena fabric from Schlossberg is a cotton print. It is still a pattern, but the fabric is woven in a normal percale or sateen weave, the colour is literally printed onto the cotton. Jacquard fabrics are much more durable than prints in terms of not having colour fading over time. However Jacquards are not typically used for fitted sheets, flat sheets or pillowcases, as after washing the patterns usually become more pronounced in feel and are not as comfortable next to the skin as a normal weave. Jersey refers to another weave type that allows the cotton to be much more stretchy. Jersey fabrics usually wear out very quickly unless very heavy, in which case they will sleep a little bit warmer. The reason they wear out is for the same reason that most cheap cottons wear out, the weave is uneven to begin with and with further use and laundering the weak spots of the fabric can break and wear very easily. At the end of the day the cotton fabric which is lightest is usually the most breathable. Real egyptian cotton fabrics can be woven very finely and still have lots of strength, resulting in usually lighter and more breathable fabrics when comparing similar thread counts. The lower the strand count the more breathable the fabric will be. Although not typically as smooth or crisp feeling as a higher strand count sheet (which will also be a little more durable). If you see 400TC sheets these are in all liklihood a 2 ply 200 thread count fabric, which would be using twisted yarns as illustrated in the first post I made. 600TC would probably be a 2 ply 300 thread count. Its too bad most manufacturers do not list these things as it is important to know. But realistically if Costco or Walmart is selling it....its not REAL egyptian cotton or real pima cotton, its likely just a small percentage of the cotton fibres used in making the threads. Price usually is the big indicator of quality. Egyptian cotton fabrics quite literally cannot be mass produced as easily as other cottons, it requires hand picking so the staples are not damaged, it is much more costly to mill. Look for fabrics that are woven somewhere in Europe, preferably Germany, Italy, Austria, Switzerland...somewhere noted for producing high quality fabrics. |
Good stuff! |