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I was almost ready to pull the trigger on latex pieces from foambymail to build a DIY mattress (my thread on that: http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/advice-needed-my-diy-all-latex-project/19004-0-1.html ). But I've continued to pour through old posts. In so doing, I ran accross Phoenix's posts mentioning http://latexmattressshop.com/index.php/ . Other than Phoenix's mention, there isn't a lot of info here or folks that seem to have their mattresses. I am amazed by their prices for what you get and am now thinking this is a better way to go for me. I realize that going this way, you lose the ability to tweak, but I wasn't looking forward to that anyway. They do offer a complete 60 day money back guarantee. I would love to hear more opinions about the Brooklyn Bedding latex line and latexmattressshop as a company. If all is on the up and up, I would also like help selecting which of their mattresses might be best for my wife and me. Repeating our sleep bio info. from my other thread: me, I'm 6'0" 170-175lbs, 38 y.o., mainly a stomach sleeper but usually flip to my back at some point during the night. My wife is 5'0" 110-115lbs, 36 y.o., mainly a stomach sleeper, but also flips to her back some. We both occasionally deal with low back pain usually brought on by our workouts. I am considering the Allure Plush 10" (http://latexmattressshop.com/index.php/comfort-level/allure-latex-plush) or the Fascination Pillow 12" (http://latexmattressshop.com/index.php/comfort-level/fascination-latex-pillow). The top layer can be selected as soft, medium, or firm. I am thinking medium would be the way to go on that since medium-firm is typically best for low back pain sufferers. With the 10% off coupon I received from signing up for their e-mail list, I can get the 10" Allure with matching King foundation for $1,371.60 with free shipping. The 12" Fascination with foundation would be $1,632.60. I am thinking the 10" Allure might be the way to go. This is basically how I was planning to setup my DIY project. Just the 3 foam pieces from FBM were going to be $1,215, and the return guarantee was subject to shipping being charged both ways and a 25% restocking fee. The 12" pillowtop looks really nice, but I'm worried it may be too soft for us as stomach sleepers. I'm also not clear about what is in the pillowtop since the diagrams on the construction for both mattresses list the same materials in the top. I will call to find out about this. Now, I realize a big difference in the latex in these setups is Dunlop while the FBM latex is Talalay (though both are 100% natural). Considering that the top layer can be chosen as soft, medium, or firm, do you think the Dunlop would be too firm for us? I do like the feel of a solid bed. Also, though there is little info here on the Brooklyn Bedding line, someone commented that the 8" version was too soft for them. I do worry some about the FBM pieces as the comments seem to be that their ILD ratings are inconsistent. Bottom line - are one of these two options from latexmattressshop a better call than doing a DIY mattress sourced from FBM? If so, which model do you think would be better for us? Many thanks! I continue to be amazed at the wealth of information on this forum. This message was modified May 22, 2011 by TheLTFM
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That does look like a good deal for what you get, to me.I too would be interested in any reports on this company. I have not had any experience testing out that mattress. I see someone on the forum tried some of Brooklyn's products and found them to be somewhat on the soft side. Can't vouch for that, but the link is below. It their products tend to be on the soft side, you might want to shift toward the firmer end. You can always add a soft topper (like Lynn has talked about a lot) but you can't make something firmer by putting something on top. Anyway, check this out: http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/been-several-stores-hours-spent-reading-reviews-brain-has-turned-jelly-help/18160-0-1.html Please keep us posted if you do or don't end up trying Brooklyn's mattress and good luck with your decisions!
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"Bottom line - are one of these two options from latexmattressshop a better call than doing a DIY mattress sourced from FBM?" Better in what way? "Considering that the top layer can be chosen as soft, medium, or firm, do you think the Dunlop would be too firm for us?" "Better" and "too firm" are very subjective; what may be "better" or "too firm" too someone else may not be the case for you. "I do worry some about the FBM pieces as the comments seem to be that their ILD ratings are inconsistent" Inconsistent in what regard? From what I've read ILD's are "inconsistent" in general. "Considering that the top layer can be chosen as soft, medium, or firm, do you think the Dunlop would be too firm for us" Honestly, you're the only one who can determine that. Now from what I've read, stomach sleepers and people with back pains tend to choose firmer sleep surfaces than those who have no back issus and sleep on their side and back. |
| Need2sleep, if you read back in the forum posts, you will see what LTFM is referring to: there are indeed quite a few reports about variability in FBM foam. It seems likely that a discount dealer like FBM probably gets different lots from different suppliers. As you mention, ILD ratings can be inconsistent between different sources. I suspect this is the reason that the same ILD rating for various foams from FBM have shown a notable variability in the comments posted by several purchasers on this forum. I guess if you have the option to return and change out layers, it could be resolved, but there is the hassle factor to consider, plus shipping charges, and the possibility that another shipment from another lot might still not be what you're looking for. |
| That is why I asked "inconsistent in what regard". If we are referring to inconsistent in regards to one person stated that FBM's 20ild is firm and another stated 20ild is soft then that could be viewed as subjective. Now if one person bought two of the same topper with identical ild's and stated one topper was firmer than the other, then that's a different matter. |
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I ordered the 10" Plush about 2 months ago. Everything is on the up and up and the salesman was very helpful with the order. I ordered Medium for my top layer, but should have ordered the default soft. I'm 5'11' and close to 200 lbs and I find the medium too hard. So far I've ordered a 1.5 20 ifd Talalay topper from SleepEZ and just now ordered a 1" 32 ifd Talalay from SleepLikeABear to put directly under that to soften things up a bit. The UPS delivery man will only take it off the truck, it's up to you what to do with it after that. I managed to get the mattress up the stairs and set up by myself, but I definitely don't recommend it. I think the total package weighs in at 210 lbs and UPS sends a special truck out to deliver it so it may take a little longer. It may take you a little while to get used to and adjust to the 7 zones, ie finding an optimal sleeping position and such. All and all it's exactly as advertised, just a little firm for me as is.
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| Hey dunadan, I'm sure TheLTFM will greatly apreciate you reply. Are you a side, back or stomach sleeper? Was the topper from sleepez too soft therefore promting you to order the 32ifd from SLAB? |
Wow, thanks for all of the quick replies and help here. I go to a pool party and get back and have all of this info waiting on me! 
dunadan, glad to hear of your experience! A few follow up questions for you . . . Instead of ordering talalay toppers to go over the 10" plush, did you consider doing an exchange to the 10" model with the "soft" topper? Was that just too much hassle? The money back guarantee should have allowed you to do that for free where buying more toppers is obviously costing you more. Please explain more about the "7 zones" and how you adjust them? From looking at the website, I thought this was a sealed enclosure mattress. Are you saying the mattress has a zippered case and you are moving zones around? Again, I'd really like to hear more about this.
It is interesting that dunadan finds the 10" plush on the firm side where the poster weewillwinky refers to found the 8" base model too soft. Perhaps that only furthers need2sleep's point about the subjectivty associated with many of the terms we use here to describe mattresses. I don't want to make this thread too much about FBM (probably better to do that in my other thread) though it does factor in as it is my comparative option at this point. weewilly is pretty much right on about my inconsistency comment. Also of concern was what the salesperson with FBM told me when I was asking about how I planned to construct my mattress. He said the 20 ILD toppers felt pretty much just like the 32 ILD toppers. Either he is wrong about that or there truly is inconsistency within their own latex as that should not be the case at all.
Anyone have any general comments about an all Dunlop setup vs an all Talalay setup? I've read somewhere that the Dunlop process cannot be used to make softer ILD latex. Editing this now because the site does claim a 2" Talalay layer, so it is not all Dunlop. Thanks again! This message was modified May 22, 2011 by TheLTFM
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Their prices do seem to be much lower than anyone else. I couldn't find them in BBB so I started poking around. Their website isn't very informative. This company is really R & S Mattresses with 11 locations. They are mattress liquidators. They have an A+ BBB rating and the ratings I found on Google were positive http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=11957243301802943277&q=8698+East+Raintree+Drive,+Scottsdale,+AZ&hl=en&dtab=2&pcsi=11957243301802943277,1&geocode=FUkDAQIdVqVU-Q&sll=33.620809,-111.893162&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&ie=UTF8&ll=33.625894,-111.902661&spn=0,0&t=h&z=16 The BBB rating for R&S Mattress is A+. They do seem legit, but they don't specialize in latex mattresses.
I don't know how they can sell that Allure 10" at that price. What is the source of the latex? Their 8" green version which claims to be organic has similar pricing to other online shops that offer similar quality. Perhaps bamboo covers are less expensive than cotton. Other than the 60 day money back guarantee, I didn't see any warranty. Google "brooklyn bedding" and you'll see this mattress is sold elsewhere at websites that have the same look as latesmattressshop.com: http://cheap-latex-foam-mattress.com/manufacturer/brooklyn-bedding.html. I can't find many user reviews. I would spend some time on the phone talking to sales people about these mattesses. Oh, and it appears that they have coupons. The "About US" page had a code for 5% off. It appears that these mattresses are some exclusive locally made mattresses. It's really hard to know the quality of Joe's latex foam. Many of the other online sellers tell you the source of their latex. Perhaps they will send you a sample? You should also ask about return policy! They don't state it. You might have to pay all shipping fees. And they don't say you can swap pieces if you are not happy with what you get. And they don't tell you the ILD numbers of their foam! So far, dunadan is the only person I've found that has any experience with this company. This message was modified May 27, 2014 by a moderator
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"He said the 20 ILD toppers felt pretty much just like the 32 ILD toppers. Either he is wrong about that or there truly is inconsistency within their own latex as that should not be the case at all" Well the lady I spoke with at FBM stated the 32ILD had a bit more firm feeling than the 20ILD. According to their site, all of their latex has a 5.6lb density. |
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sleepswithcats, thanks for the BBB research! I think one of the reasons for the lower price is the mostly Dunlop latex vs. Talalay. I thought it was all Dunlop, but one place on their site references a 2" Talalay layer. On the coupon, if you subscribe to their e-mail list, you actually get a 10% off code which the prices I quote in my first post include. The return policy is stated here: http://latexmattressshop.com/index.php/customer-service#returns 60 day, send it back, "no cost to you." I am going to verify with them that covers shipping both ways. In one of Phoenix's posts about this company, that is what he said. And yes, I have a list of 13 questions that is growing that I plan to go over with them tomorrow. neeed2sleep, I definitely took his comment with a grain of salt. Freedom 1955 who built a mattress from their latex reported that switching from the 20 to the 32 layer made the bed feel firmer. I look forward to hearing about your experiences when you receive your latex from them hopefully tomorrow. Thanks, Cliff p.s. - just found this statement on the homepage:
That’s more than fair isn’t? With an offer like this on every mattress we offer… There’s no way for you to lose! This message was modified May 22, 2011 by TheLTFM
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