Question for Budgy and other latex folks
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It is coming down to a choice for me between rockymountainmattress's Dunlop or SleepEZ's Dunlop. One thing that bugs me about RockyMountain's Dunlop is that the firmest Dunlop they offer is 26IFD, and I was thinking I would get 32ILD from SleepEZ. My main question is: Do you think 26IFD is firm enough for a bottom layer just over my springs? I really don't know. I believe the HR foam I have been using is 32ILD though it might be 28ILD, I don't remember. They are calling 26IFD natural Dunlop "medium firm" but going by the numbers, I would think it would be more like medium soft. SleepEZ offers the 32 ILD in the natural Dunlop though I don't know if it's as good as the Rockymountan natural Dunlop which someone said is made by Latex Green (?) which Budgy said was a good company as I recall. I do like that SleepEZ offers 1.5" which might be a little better than 1" or 2" for me, and Rockymountain only offers 1" or 2" not 1.5". Decisions, decisions! Yuk. Opinions on which I should buy now that I have it down to these 2 companies' Dunlop? My main concern is that 26IFD might be too soft for a base layer over springs...? And then, it becomes, "Do I need 1.5" instead of just 1"?" I have used 1" before in HR foam and I do know that 2" of HR foam was too much foam for me. So maybe I should stick with 1" only , but then Budgy said that 1" will break down quicker than 2". And by the way, can you expand on that? I don't see why the thickness would cause it to break down earlier or later... but I'll take your word for it... This message was modified Jan 18, 2010 by jimsocal
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Re: Question for Budgy and other latex folks
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I somewhat expanded on that in your other thread. I wouldn't worry about the lifespan difference with regards to solid sheets of rubber. I am not sure who SleepEZ uses for their supplier. But at the end of the day these might all be small differences, I agree that 26ILD isn't really all that firm, sounds very in the middle, but I do remember you are putting this all on a pretty firm (heavy guage) coil system. I think you should decide on your own instinct, but I think your options for that first layer are either order a 2" thick 26ILD from Rocky Mountain (or whatever they are called) or maybe a 1.5" 32ILD from SleepEZ's. Unless you prefer a firmer overall feel you may not need to use firmer latex over the springs, we have right now one coil mattress on our floor with a pretty firm pocket coil and 3" of latex on top, its probably only 24~26 ILD and it feels pretty good, the mattress has a pretty neutral firmness level. we also have some new ones coming in with very firm spring units topped with 'soft' natural rubber. |
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Jim, I got the sense from Rockymountain that you could order firmer dunlop is you wanted. Maybe 1.5" as well. They don't stock, so it would take longer. I am not sure sleepez will stock it either. It could be you would be they both would be custom ordering fromt the same place. I have no idea how the customer service is at Rockymountain, but they have responded to some email questions I had for them. Rockymountain told me they use Latex Green for dunlop and LI for talalay. It might be the same at sleepez. 1" may breakdown quicker because more is closer to the surface, and the surface areas probably breakdown faster. It does not have a thick center that stays new longer. |
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sandman wrote: Jim, I got the sense from Rockymountain that you could order firmer dunlop is you wanted. Maybe 1.5" as well. They don't stock, so it would take longer. I am not sure sleepez will stock it either. It could be you would be they both would be custom ordering fromt the same place. I have no idea how the customer service is at Rockymountain, but they have responded to some email questions I had for them. Rockymountain told me they use Latex Green for dunlop and LI for talalay. It might be the same at sleepez. 1" may breakdown quicker because more is closer to the surface, and the surface areas probably breakdown faster. It does not have a thick center that stays new longer. The plot thickens... I finally got through to SleepEZ. Yes, their Dunlop is made by Latex Green, rubber from Sri Lanka. But NO, they will not give a price break on the shipping, so ordering a 3" layer costs the same to ship as ordering a 1.5" layer. The guy was very firm on this. Too firm. It really rubs me the wrong way to pay $49 to ship a 1.5" layer of latex. The cost can't be more than $30 and I don't like subsidizing those who buy a 3" layer. BUT, on the other hand, Rocky Mountain does not give exchanges or returns on their toppers which these are considered even though they are up to 32ILD Talalay. ((i.e. not really "toppers" are they?) And I'm not sure if SleepEZ offers a return or exchange, either, on layers if they're not part of your mattress. SleepEZ's prices are not that bad I guess and it does sound like good latex, Latex Green and all.. Okay, Andrew from RockyMountain just returned my call and he said no, they don't do exchanges, yes, their Dunlop Natural is from Latex Green, and no, they don't have 1.5" thicknesses... So shoot, this is a tough decision. I realize I'll just have to "give in" to SleepEZ's crazy shipping policy or I'll have to order 1" only from Rocky Mountain with no exchange. I guess SleepEZ does have what I want... But now I feel sheepish calling back to SleepEZ because I gave him some flak about their shipping policy. I was nice about it but just said that to me it didn't make sense and I was disappointed they wouldn't work with me on it. I really hate to order from companies I don't "like" for one reason or another... ARGGGHHH! NOTHING'S EVER JUST "EASY"! |
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Jim: I did not check what the local UPS charge from the middle of the US to California was, since I got my return shipping label from Flobeds. But I was able to ship two 3" half sheets of natural latex back to flobeds for $35.00. It makes you wonder dosn't it. I know Savvy Rest wanted about $170.00 to ship round trip a layer (from/to) Virginia. I do not think there is any doubt that some of these companys see there shipping department as a profit center. |
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eagle2 wrote: Jim: I did not check what the local UPS charge from the middle of the US to California was, since I got my return shipping label from Flobeds. But I was able to ship two 3" half sheets of natural latex back to flobeds for $35.00. It makes you wonder dosn't it. I know Savvy Rest wanted about $170.00 to ship round trip a layer (from/to) Virginia. I do not think there is any doubt that some of these companys see there shipping department as a profit center. Thanks, Eagle2. Yeah, I always avoid ebay sellers who do that (it's common on there) and I generally dislike companies that charge a lot on top of the actual cost of shipping. Even if you factor in the cost of the box, the plastic wrap to keep it clean and the tape etc. to ship it, I just don't think $49 for one OR two 1" layers is fair. Glad I'm not the only one who sees this as a bit exorbitant and a questionable practice. As Sandman points out, though, their overall price isn't that high. Basically it comes down to SleepEZ deciding to follow this business model, of offering cheap prices and then adding it back for the shipping part of the equation. I guess there's nothing really wrong with that; I just don't care for it as a business model. Though, I guess if I were regularly ordering 3" latex pads or several at once, then I would like it! In fact I'm sure I would. So I really shouldn't blame them, right? It works out for some people, it just isn't working out for me at this time. I guess the other thing about it that I don't like is that it encourages me to spend more than I planned to spend, in order to "make use" of the one-price-shipping charge. But oh well... what counts is what I will probably find out soon: Is there latex any good, and how is their service? |
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Budgy, on your suggestion I did order the 1.5" Dunlop, and I also ordered a 1" Talalay layer - both natural latex. I ordered from SleepEZ because they were the only ones who had the 1.5" Dunlop. When I talked to Rockymountain they said they could not get me the 1.5" Dunlop. They were very nice, though, and if I were ordering just 1" I probably would have ordered from them instead. But I decided that as Philip said, I did want to compare the Dunlop and Talalay and though one is 1" and the other is 1.5" I still think I'll be able to get an idea of the different feel. Mainly I just hope some configuration of one or both of these 2 layers will help me sleep and wake up without back pain! They won't be able to ship them until Monday as they had to wait for a shipment to get the 1.5" Dunlop. So I'll post after I get them in a week or two. Not sure what kind of shipping service I get, whether it's a quick type of slow boat to China type, I didn't ask, as I had made my decision to buy these 2 layers, either way. |