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As an experiment, I took of the 1.5" (seems more like 1") wool topper I have to see if I could feel the foam more. I left on the wool filled mattress pad. There was a definite difference. I could feel the body molding of the memory foam a bit more, but I also felt like I was sinking in more (too much) and it also felt a bit warmer. I even had a twinge of lower back pain. At 2am I put the topper back on, and slept better. A bit deader feel, but firmer and cooler. I am fairly convinved this is a real phenomenom. I have done this once or twice before with similiar results. Possibly because the memory foam does not heat up as much? Or because the topper pulls tight? Still can't explain it. So, adding a wool topper (at least my version) might help those trying to firm up a mattress a bit with the bonus of making it more breathable. As a further experiment, I might trying moving it down the stack a couple of inches (below the memory foam and above the latex) to see what that is like. My guess is that it will be somewhere in between. This message was modified Oct 11, 2010 by sandman
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Thanks Phoenix. I am looking to use it as a comfort layer not a support layer, replacing my 1" of mem-cool and 1" of Sensus. Maybe needing 1 inch less of latex and no wool topper as well? We shall see. I hope the 5lb. Aerus is a good combo. I think the Overstock mem-cool might be the same as the old 4lb. Aerus. I prefer a bit more density than that. I had tried a Costco mattress from Sleep Science with 2" of 5lb. on top. I actually like the feel of that, but the rest of it was too thick and firm. I called them to see if they sell toppers alone, but they did not. They have a new mattress with 7lb. and 6lb. on top (I think) to compete with the upper end TPs. Would be interesting to try that. Of course the TP foam is nice, but very expensive in topper form (I think you can get 1" and 3" of the 5.3 lb). Not sure how breathable it is. I am one of the few people that has actually tried the Nuform. I think it was 2" of 28ILD that I was able to demo. It was too firm for a comfort layer. Kind of like sleeping on clay. So, neither fish nor fowl. It was okay with some softer latex over it, but that kind of defeats the purpose. Probably why it has not caught on. Not sure if they make a lower ILD version, but that might be better. |
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Thanks for the feedback on the NuFORM. So far you are the only one I've heard from that actually used it to sleep on (as opposed to the pillows). One of the mattress manufacturers I talked to that was using it said "people seem to like it" but that was pretty vague to me and he also told me that Latex International told him that there weren't a lot of people who were using it as much as he was. There are quite a few using it in their layers but not on top. Their website doesn't list any range of ILD's like it does for all their other foam so I suspect it may only come in one firmness. Thanks Phoenix |
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sandman wrote: Phoenix, have you found a high density breathable memory foam? I have had trouble finding the right combination. I have the 4lb mem-cool from overstock that does seem not as hot, but lacks density and support. I have the Senus that has more density and support, but is less breathable / hotter. An older piece I got at Costco years ago seemed to have reasonable support and I don't remember getting hot with it. Maybe because I was using it on top of a firm innerspring. It is a smaller size than I use now, so that is not an option. I measured the density recently, and was surprised that it was a bit below 4. I tried the new gel infused foam at Costco, and that is definitely softer (sink in a lot) than most. Therefore, good for pressure relief, but I can only get it to work with 1" of latex over it. I orded the 5lb Aerus Natual from Sam's club, hoping that is a good combination of the 2. However, it only comes in 2.5", so if it is on the softer side, it probably won't work. I have flexiblity to make it firmer below, so I am hoping it works. I will be posting results after I receive it and give it a try. Sandman, RMM had Aerus don't they? Just wondered about price since you have to be a member of Sam's Club. |
| It's amazing what you can find out about a mattress (In this case the sleep comfort multi zone) through a patent application. It's also interesting what people patent in an effort to stop what would otherwise be fairly easy to duplicate. |
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Leo3, I believe RMM only has the 4lb Aerus. I decided that I wanted the 5lb. The only place I have seen it is on Amazon and at Sam's club. You are right that you have to have a Sam's club membership. However, I think you can cancel the membership and get your many back (all or prorata depending on how long you keep it). I don't actually shop there, because the closest is probably 15 miles. I am a bigger fan of Costco. Still, it is cheaper at Sam's if you add in the membership ($40) and I believe they have a 100% return policy. Phoenix, I can see that they would use the Nuform at a lower level. It does not push back like regular latex, but has support. However, as I said a bit too firm and clay like for me (you end up in a rut) on the top level. I did kind of like it below the convoluted Flobed topper, but was not sure how to integrate into the whole mattress. |
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I moved the wool topper below the 2" of memory foam last night. That was firmer than with no topper at all, but less firm than with the topper on top. No real surprise there. It was better than with no topper at all (less sinking in too much). I could feel the memory foam plushness better. No surprise there either. It seemed warmer than with the topper on top. No real surprise there either. However, the last few nights have been warmer than average, so that is a contributing factor. I think I will try without the 1" Sensus and without the wool topper. Less heat causing foam, less memory foam (so firmer), but less firmness from topper as well. |