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I have seen several postings on why Sleepez seem to offer the same products at lower prices than the competitors, and I just wanted to offer my observations. 1st, I have been sleeping on Sleepez's Organic Select 10000 with matching foundation for about a week and I absolutely love it! I highly recommend it to anyone who is "on the fence" or thinking that the more expensive brand is better quality. 2nd. For anyone considering purchasing a Flobed or other higher priced bed because they think that it will be a higher quality product, please do your research first. I believe Sleepez mentions on their website that they use the exact same manufacturers as the big S brands. This means almost identical mattresses! Also, look at Latex International's website. They have a product page where they list all the companies that they manufacture for, and Flobeds as well as a number of other companies are LI's clients. There is no difference in the latex being used in Sleepez's much cheaper beds than Flobeds or any of the others! http://www.latexfoam.com/index.php?did=11#2 Save your money, buy a Sleepez! I've slept better in the last week than I have my entire life! |
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KimberlyH wrote: Eagle, I do believe that the 100% natural Talalay latex mattress offered by Sleepez is three layers of 3" latex: http://www.sleepez.com/latex-mattress-13000.htm This is where I always wind up when I select there 13000. I see your point regarding the link you show. However you must extrapolate the dimensions based on a picture that is different from the link I posted. I just wish there website was a little more clear and a little bit easier to operate. I'm not accusing them of anything. And it may just be that I am a poor operator of websites, or just don't get it! But it has always seemed to me that SleepEZ would prefer to sell you the blended products. Not that there's anything wrong with blended products, in fact if memory serves, that is what you have and you are quite satisfied with it. Over time it may even prove to be superior as far as wearability is concerned to all natural. But it would be a good thing if they would show the same kind of illustration for their all-natural product and the dimensions of the different layers that they show for their blended product in the link that I provided. And they are still showing this 90 day exchange policy. "
This message was modified Apr 19, 2010 by eagle2
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Hi Eagle. I hope you enjoyed your "vacation". You don't have to worry, because the forum has been more than fair towards flobeds. Since you have asked what sleepeze does with their returns, you obviously feel that this is an important issue. I don't think that all you flobed "homies" satisfactorily responded to Natalie's husband's statement about the old off colored piece of foam sent as a replacment, nor has anyone commented about Lynn's replacment piece that smelled so bad that she was embarrassed that her guests might smell it. We both have every right to be happy about our respective purchases, but since neither of us really knows anything about sleepeze, don't you think we should let those with at least SOME information be the ones to comment.
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Eagle, The Sleepez 13000 model offered in a choice of Dunlop or blended Talalay latex: http://www.sleepez.com/latex-mattress-13000.htm It says right in the description that the layers are 2.8" and the total is 10.4" (excluding cover). The Sleepez 13000 model offered in 100% natural Talalay latex: http://www.sleepez.com/natural.htm It says in the description that the layers total 12" (4x3=12) (excluding cover). I have a Flobeds and like them just as much as you, but I do believe you are splitting hairs here. There is no lack of information on the Sleepez site about what comprises the mattress. Yes, Sleepez does advocate blended Talalay latex over natural blended latex. They state on their website that blended Talalay latex combines the best qualities of natural latex (softness) with synthetic latex (strength and durability). They believe that blended latex will have a longer life than natural latex. So, Flobeds has a slightly different slant. They tip their hats to 100% natural. In reality, we both know that there is little to no documented evidence that one is superior to the other and I can't imagine how one would go about demonstrating this. In the end, the benefits of blended vs natural is a subjective experience. There are going to be people who want a 100% natural product and the 100% Natural Talalay is going to speak to them. There are other people who are going to take a pragmatists approach and believe that the strength and durability of blended, along with the lower price, outweighs the "100% natural" tag. |
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Philip wrote: Hi Eagle. I hope you enjoyed your "vacation". I enjoyed it very much Philip. Thank you for your concern. You don't have to worry, because the forum has been more than fair towards flobeds. Can I take that as some kind of endorsement for Flobeds? Since you have asked what sleepeze does with their returns, you obviously feel that this is an important issue. It seems to me Philip, from your previous posts, that you're the one who seems to really care about what companies do with their returns. I think you have a problem with FloBeds returns because Savvy Rest wouldn't take back any of your returns without charging a very large return shipping fee. I don't think that all you flobed "homies" satisfactorily responded to Natalie's husband's statement about the old off colored piece of foam sent as a replacment, nor has anyone commented about Lynn's replacment piece that smelled so bad that she was embarrassed that her guests might smell it. What is your problem Philipt! Resorting to name-calling such as "homies" isn't going to put enough icing on your sarcasm to make any sales here. We both have every right to be happy about our respective purchases, but since neither of us really knows anything about sleepeze, don't you think we should let those with at least SOME information be the ones to comment. SOME Information!, Come on Philip, that kind of sideways logic is not going to impress me, or anybody else who does a halfway decent job of thinking. If your sarcastic gland suddenly shrank and withered away, what would you do for entertainment?
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Eagle: I'm glad you enjoyed your "time away". Just because, for some reason, you like flobeds doesn't make me feel the need to like them, as well. Of course, it doesn't make me feel the need to dislike them either. There were no Savvyrest returns because, with their help, we got it right the first time, but, if there had been any returns necessary, at least we can be certain that the new pieces would, in fact, be new. Even though you commented on my "homies" remark, you still chose to not respond to the fact that on at least two occasions flobeds did not send out pristine replacements as their "return policy" stated they would do. As to my "sideways logic", isn't is obvious my intent is not to impress you but to, in some way, get you to be more fair. As to my "sarcastic gland", Eagle, after reading literally hundreds of your pro flobed/anti everyone else posts, I just can't seem to contain myself. Philip |
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Philip wrote: Eagle: Philip: I'm glad you enjoyed your "time away". I am glad you are enjoying yourself. Just because, for some reason, you like flobeds doesn't make me feel the need to like them, as well. Of course, it doesn't make me feel the need to dislike them either. Quite frankly Philip, I do not care wheater you like or dislike Flobeds. There were no Savvyrest returns because, with their help, we got it right the first time, but, if there had been any returns necessary, at least we can be certain that the new pieces would, in fact, be new. As I've told you before Philip I'm glad you're happy. Even though you commented on my "homies" remark, you still chose to not respond to the fact that on at least two occasions flobeds did not send out pristine replacements as their "return policy" stated they would do. What Flowbeds does or does not do is no concern of mine. I only cared how they treated me. And they did a fine job. As to my "sideways logic", isn't is obvious my intent is not to impress you but to, in some way, get you to be more fair. Now that does make me smile. I know your prime reason for visiting this board is to make sure I am fair. I can only shake my head at that one. What disingenuous hyperbole. As to my "sarcastic gland", Eagle, after reading literally hundreds of your pro flobed/anti everyone else posts, I just can't seem to contain myself. The fact that you cannot contain yourself has to be obvious to everyone by now. And you're slanted observation that all my comments are pro-Flow Bed, and anti-everyone else, is beyond the pale. You seem to make an occupation out of reading my threads and my various posts in an effort to dilute the validity of my remarks. One has to wonder why. Are you the thought police? Are is there a more realistic reason. In any event Philip, I find your observations tiring and trite. But all of your negative comments will not stop me from stating what I believe to be true. I will continue to post my beliefs. Evidently you have had some success in the past with ridiculing those board members that you disagreed with and causing them to cease and desist from further remarks. It will not work with me! Philip |
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Would you two please stop your spat, or carry it to a private channel :) This is doing nothing to further the comparative discussion of what Flobeds and Sleepez have to offer. |
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KimberlyH wrote: So, Flobeds has a slightly different slant. They tip their hats to 100% natural. In reality, we both know that there is little to no documented evidence that one is superior to the other and I can't imagine how one would go about demonstrating this. In the end, the benefits of blended vs natural is a subjective experience. There are going to be people who want a 100% natural product and the 100% Natural Talalay is going to speak to them. There are other people who are going to take a pragmatists approach and believe that the strength and durability of blended, along with the lower price, outweighs the "100% natural" tag. Anyway, Kimberly, I hope you receive your bed and can report on it before I finally place my order. This message was modified Apr 19, 2010 by cynicaljones
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KimberlyH wrote: Would you two please stop your spat, or carry it to a private channel :) This is doing nothing to further the comparative discussion of what Flobeds and Sleepez have to offer. Don |
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Eagle2, I am glad I decided to stop by to relax before going to bed. I had mentioned that the piece sent to me spelled so bad that I was embarrased but this was an ORIGINAL 100% natural latex topper that was 1.5" thick rather than the topper that came with the bed since to me that was too thick of a cushion. The smell was awful! I am not sure where FloBeds got that replacement topper from but my friend from Canada was nauseaus in my home and noticed the intense smell the minute she walked into my home. I only wish the latex topper did not arrive for a few more days. I also was sent a 44 ILD latex core as a replacement that was clean without any smell. But there was a latex core that was a replacement that was not in the best shape and Dave paid the shipping back to me and sent me two brand new latex cores at 37 ILD each at his shipping cost both ways and let me decide which other latex core I was sending back. That Brylane topper that I bought had hardly any smell at all but I still aired it out over my Banister like I do all the latex pieces due to my allergies to be safe any of the plastic smell from the wrapping goes away since plastic bothers my allergies. I love that Brylane topper so I told Dave to not look anymore for me. The set-up started out way too soft for me and if I had bought from SleepEZ, I would have had the highest fees for all the latex exchanges I did. My bed ended up being cheaper than SleepEz due to all the promotions going on in the 90 days I had the bed that I watched for and let Dave know I was entitled to another credit. But in summary despite most of the latex pieces arriving in great shape there was one that was too long with writing on it instead of the Latex International Tag (Dave paid the cost to ship it back to him) and one that had some rips in it that I wish now I did not exchange since the new Extra Firm Latex Core that arrived in perfect shape was softer at 35 ILD while the other one was 39 ILD which I preferred. I found out that my back can feel a few ILD differences. I wish I knew this fact, then I would have requested all Extra Firm Latex Cores not be less than 37 ILD that were sent to me and I would have been patient waiting for these special cores to be found since Latex International puts an average ILD on the bottom of the latex cores. |