Mattress Forum

 Budgy, I am not totally sure what you mean by this.  Are you talking about permanent body indentations?

I think the idea of the replacable top level is an interesting one for the Green Sleep pocketed coil mattress.  Can you get the top level in different levels of firmness?

Royal-Pedic also has a top comfort level that can be added/replaced on their mattresses.  Of course, one could always make one as well by putting latex / wool into something like the St. Geneve wool featherbed protector.

Speaking of the heavy metals / pesticides in the cotton.  Does that come out when washed?  Otherwise, you have to worry about clothes, sheets, blankets, pillows, etc. and all of furniture you come into contact with.   Not too mention what you absorb through food, drink, the air.  The question is how much of a risk does all of this pose?  I tend to not take it too seriously, because I figure I am probably being bombarded with all kinds of things if I live in the world today.  I guess every bit can help a little though.

To be fair the Hastens beds also have removable pillowtops that can be replaced, however the mattress core where the innerspring system(s) reside is also heavily upholstered.  In the Green Sleep beds, the coil core is quite literally just steel wrapped in rubberized coconut coir, that stuff is STRONG.  Basically the pillowtop is the only wear and tear component and its made primarily out of rubber and then some sheeps wool on top, I would think they get a small body indentation fairly early on from a little bit of wool compaction, but its pretty minor.  The pillowtop you replace perhaps 15~20 years down the road... Hastens recommends you replace their pillowtops every 8 years or so...which to some might be worth it if affordable. 

Yes Green Sleep makes different pillowtops, they use the same coil core and base system for all their pocket coil mattresses.  They also make a bonnell coil without a removable top at a great price, perfect for those that like a firmer feel with a lot of bouyancy.

Basically they make different thicknesses of tops to vary the comfort.  I think its important for me to say that these beds are not designed to feel as soft as something like a Hastens or Vi-Spring...this is a limitation of using the purest most elastic rubber available.  There is a limit on how soft you can make everything.  The most expensive bed comes with a customizable pillowtop that you have some interchangeable rubber layers inside, you can set up each side of the pillowtop firm, medium, or soft.

The Green Sleep I see comes with a foundation and not a box spring?  Is that true of all of their coil mattresses?  That seems like it might be a disadvantage?

Are the Green Sleep coils themselves reasonably body conforming or are they pretty stiff?

How would you compare the spring system on the Vi-spring vs. Royal-Pedic?

It's definitely a functional base system, dowels and slats placed on natural rubber (that is encased in organic cotton).  I am just hesitant to call it a boxspring as there is no traditional coil spring, but it does contribute to the same bottemless feeling that a proper coil mattress should have. 

As far as the coil system goes I would say its reasonably conforming, more so than any offset or bonnell coil.  The Bonnell coil in the Green Sleep beds would be more comparable to the Offset used in a Royal Pedic.  Yet because of the finer gauge steel and higher spring count used in a Vi-Spring or Hastens bed they will be more able to conform to body shape...I think particularly the Vi-Spring coils is pretty amazing how they have to honeycomb nest everything and tie it by hand.  Thats a labour intensive job to be sure. 

I only see the latex mattress on the Green Sleep website, so they are a bit confusing. 

Looks like Vi-spring is only in Chicago at this point. 

Forgetting the comfort layers for a moment, it sounds like you are saying that the Green Sleep coil system and foundation might provide a more comforming and comfortable base level than the Royal-Pedic? I assume both would last a long time.

My recommendations for a mattress with no consideration given to cost and unlimited budget assumed:

If someone likes anything firm to medium soft, rubber and or rubber with a quality spring core is simply the most practical. Holds its shape better, still very breathable.  The problem with really low ILD talalay latex's is that they tend to dish out and people will still hammock in bed, I have experienced this first hand on the softest latex bed Natura makes, it might work well for some, but it may not be good for other peoples posture.  This mattress I am speaking of had some 14" of latex, 6" firm dunlop core, 8" of progressively softer layers on top. 

If someone absolutely needs or desires an incredibly soft mattress and needs good posture and alignment, then their chances of acheiving both are better with a Hastens or a Vi-Spring.  The really fine gauge of wire allows people to sink into the coil core more which is a more precise type of contouring than ANY variety of foam will acheive, they will also be marginally more breathable.  The downside is that these beds do have a fair bit of settling of the materials. 

In my immediate neck of the woods there is no one selling Hastens, there is one Vi-Spring dealer and a couple Hypnos dealers.  And then there is myself carrying Green Sleep.  Based on the criteria I outlined above I wish I carried Vi-Spring or Hastens because there is the odd customer (id say 1 or 2 out of 10) that tries a Green Sleep, likes the concept, but doesn't quite find it soft enough.  This is going to be a little less frequent in the future because some of their new models are getting a little bit softer feeling to them.  On the flip side of the coin, I have convinced quite a few people that for them a Green Sleep was a better match for them than a Vi-Spring or Hypnos.  One of these couples simply tried a Vi-Spring and didn't like how soft it was. Another couple loved how soft the initial feeling of the Vi-Spring was (I believe it was the Regal Supreme) but they were really worried about the compression of all that fibre, they have given me an update recently and they are still very happy with their Green Sleep.  Because Hypnos has been around in my area longer, quite a few of these people are actually previous Hypnos owners that found the beds too hard and within several years of ownership were left with a bitter taste in their mouth (the Hypnos beds are all quite firm).   The delivery company I deal with is ran by a husband and wife team...they got a Hypnos bed in their guest room free of charge as the customer that ordered a Green Sleep had no desire for it anymore.  There are no Royal Pedic dealers near me (they approached me to see if we would sell it, and I would if I only had more room to do so).  So I have no real experience comparing a Green Sleep to say a Royal Pedic, to get any feedback on the comfort difference from multiple people.

Vi-spring is not anywhere close to where I live, and does not have a seperate top layer (from I know).  Might be too expensive as well.  Hastens is at least nearby, and the very top layer might have some flexibility.  A lot of built in fibre though and probably the most expensive option (although I don't know what a Vi-spring costs).   Still, I will probably at least try a Hastens at some point to see what I might be missing.  Maybe I can find a hotel that uses them.

Royal-Pedic is nearby.  They have a lot of cotton built into their basic model, so not sure how that will hold up over time.  Still this might be a decent option.

Green Sleep seems to have the least fibre, as you say.  I viewed it not having the traditional high quality box spring as a possible negative, but sounds like it is better than I thought.   I like the pocketed coil concept as more conforming, but not sure if fatigue on the most used coils would reduce the longevity.

I have been told that they don't sell it without the pillow top layer, and I am not sure if theirs would work for me (if it is essentially dunlop).   Still, I could not use it at all or possibly augment it with something.  I think they have some retailers in
California, but not sure how close.

I am not worried about using softer talalay, as long as it can be replaced.  That will work better for me than dunlop.

Yes, they are nearby.  How is their pricing compared to Hastens?

 

Comparable.  What I liked about them compared to Hastens was (1) a latex topper doesn't need to be massaged, (2) I think I reacted badly to horsehair the one night I slept on a Hastens.

I fell dead asleep for over an hour in the Conneticut showroom on a Carpe Diem, and as you know from my posts here, I haven't had a lot of success with latex yet their latex topper was just fine - maybe something to do with the spring system underneath??.