Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers?
Oct 6, 2007 2:22 AM
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I seem to remember a post some time ago which discussed how to decide how many layers to go with.  But I can't find it!  Anyone remember this?  Or can help me out now?  Me - 5'6", 160, side and stomach sleeper.  Husband - 5'10", 170, stomach sleeper.   I definitely like more cushion than my husband.   I'm thinking to put these latex layers on top of our current box spring, whcih seems to be in good condition (and is attached nicely to our iron bed :)  

Also, I'm thinking either Firm or X Firm core - any advice here? 

Susan

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers?
Reply #24 Oct 21, 2007 5:21 AM
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When I ordered my blended Talalay mattress from SleepEz I asked Shawn who the supplier was. He said LI. This was back in February. Things do change. Call him and ask.  SleepEz sells a very nice product at a really great price. The only drawback is the one comfort exchange limit and the 15% restocking fee if it doesn't work out.

On the blended vrs natural issue: On the one hand natural latex has a certain appeal-- it comes from trees. It's "real" foam rubber. On the other hand, like wine, natural latex has it's vintages. Sometimes it's a good year. Sometimes not. Talatech--LI's blended latex product, is said to be more consistent than natural latex since the synthetic component stablizes any impurities in the natural element. But LI has very exacting standards for its natural latex product and will stand behind it. As for natural Asian latex--who knows? If anyone knows a source for blended Dunlop latex made in the USA, I'd love to know about it.  My old Dunlop was blended American made. I think 20 years is more than acceptable for a mattress to last. Even when it starts to disintegrate it's not like it just falls apart. You just start to notice "sand" under the mattress when you make the bed. But it never sagged.

Now, as for those little sample pieces...  All they're really good for is to give you some idea of how pretty the latex is and what it smells and feels like. Just squeezing it in your hand doesn't give you a realistic idea of what it will be like to actually lie on an actual core, or even how it will feel when it's layered over other cores of different ILDs.

And Suz-- I'd think about buying a mattress from any merchant with an iffy customer service reputation very carefully. You may never need it, but if you do--and with latex that's a very real possibility--it's really good to know that it's there.

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers?
Reply #25 Oct 21, 2007 4:08 PM
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Location: USA
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Point takes about sample pieces, but this is a pretty big chunk of latex, and I have a lot of other samples to compare it with, and I stand by my claim that the two are just not THAT much different in feel, they really aren't. But maybe this is a particularly good quality of dunlop, I don't know. I'm not saying all dunlop feels like all talalay or that there aren't any differences, but what I am starting to question is just HOW different they are.

The natural dunlop "pushes back" just as hard as the talalay blend, i.e. the resilience of the two products is very similar.
Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers?
Reply #26 Oct 22, 2007 4:43 PM
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FYI, mattresses.net sells Talalay from VitaFoam - they said it comes from the Netherlands and they're the largest latex manufacturer in the world. 

Here's my "thinking out loud" research....comments welcome!

Cali King Talalay "core"

  • mattresses.net, from VitaFoam - $600 + $80 shipping for split core
  • centralplastic.com, from LI - $793 + $78 shipping (**medium density only)
  • bjventures.com (creative ventures), from Radium (Vita), $650 + shipping.  Or from LI, $900 + shipping
  • sleepez.com, from LI, $995 + $75 shipping 

Best "set" alternative - sleepez 8500, $1275 + $75 shipping.  With this I'm getting a core + 3" topper, but I'd have to buy another case anyway because I don't like the woven cases - I want a knit one.

A few of those manufacturers need to be confirmed. 

Centralplastic.com is running the best LI "core" deal, however they only have medium density.  Marie, their rep emailed me and said they've NEVER had a complaint about the medium density, and people rave about them.  Does anyone have any thoughts about a "medium" Talatech core?  I have it in my head that the core should be firm or x-firm (in typical ILDs).  Do you think I'd really notice a difference?

Mattresses.net is running the best Talalay "core" deal, $680 total.

If I go with that, then I just need a 3" "split" topper, and a case.  The topper will probably run about $400, and I need to shop further for a case. 

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers?
Reply #27 Oct 22, 2007 6:14 PM
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Location: USA
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Shawn at SleepEZ told me they were going to start offering stretch knit covers. In fact, I believe the last time I talked to him he said the first of them had arrived that day. That was maybe two weeks ago.

The mattress case is a problem. If you find a good source for cases, I'd sure like to hear about it. It seems they are either $35 on eBay or $600 if you can sweet talk one of the component mattress companies into selling you one ala carte. When I get home tonight I will give you a list of every company I have come across where you might buy a mattress cover. There aren't many. One trick is searching for the right terms. A "mattress cover" is more commonly a mattress protector, mattress pad, or allergen cover. Some other terms I have searched for are mattress case, casement, encasement, and ticking.

Here are a few on clearance from FoamSweetFoam. Very limited selection. These are "real" quilted covers but with foam quilted into the ticking, not wool or latex.

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers?
Reply #28 Oct 24, 2007 6:02 AM
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Hays, trust me. As someone who has slept on both Dunlop (sucessfully) and Talalay (not at all), there is a HUGE difference in the way the two foams behave. I wish you could find a store that offered both kinds of mattressess and just have a lie down just to see what I'm talking about. You would feel the difference immediately.

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