Medium latex layer on top of soft latex layer?

[cynicaljones]

I switched my layers around this afternoon, because I'm feeling like the soft is too soft for me. But now I'm concerned about this. I mean, I'll sleep on it and try it, but it feels really squishy now that the the middle layer is softer than the top one. How does work, really? Will I get enough support, or is this likely to be worse?

 

[cynicaljones]

I slept better last night than I did with the soft layer on top previous nights. The mattress feels somewhat springier, which I kind of like, but which may also be my imagination. But I have concerns about the soft layer being sandwiched under the medium one. Will it compress faster? Would it better for me to switch for another firm or an x-firm?

 

[sandman]

I don't think it will compress faster. Does it feel closer to the way you like or still too soft? If it is pretty close, then maybe replacing the soft with a medium would work.
You may want to lay on just the medium over the firm to get a feel for what it would be with no soft at all. I don't know if it will work for an overnight sleep with just 6". You are now in the game where you have to guess what is best. You may want to replace the soft but with what?

 

[KimberlyH]

Why not order a medium replacement layer. Keep the soft layer but take it off the bed and replace with the medium. Try it for a week or two, and if it feels better, send back the soft.

 

[Natalia]

I need a soft bed, so S/M/F felt wonderful but caused a lower backache, I called FloBeds and was told to try M/S/F. They said it firms up the bed (either 7% or 17%, sorry can't remember which), and the layers would be fine. My layers are 3" Natural Talalay.
If the M/S/F feels really good to you keep it for a few more nights to be certain. I've found that one or two nights on any configuration is not enough time to be sure if it's right. You can always call Sleepez just to reassure yourself about the layer compression.
Hope you find the comfort you love,
Natalie

 

[cynicaljones]

Thanks guys! I'll give it at least a week or so to see what feels best. My biggest concern about this was that I didn't want to ruin the soft layer or something.

This frame I have is driving me nuts. There are rattles & squeaks and bumps, and I'm wondering if any of it is the foundation as well.

 

[roy1]

cynicaljones wrote:
Thanks guys! I'll give it at least a week or so to see what feels best. My biggest concern about this was that I didn't want to ruin the soft layer or something.

This frame I have is driving me nuts. There are rattles & squeaks and bumps, and I'm wondering if any of it is the foundation as well.

Thanks Cjones. How would you find out what is causing the bumps and squeaks?

 

[cynicaljones]

roy1 wrote:

Thanks Cjones. How would you find out what is causing the bumps and squeaks?

I was thinking I could try putting the foundation on the floor for a night. I'd want to lay it on a sheet or blanket or something to keep it clean. That might at least tell me if it was NOT the foundation....?

 

[cynicaljones]

Ouch! I don't think this configuration is working for me. I'm fine until I go to turn over in the middle of the night and realize just how much my lower back hurts. I don't think there's enough support there. I think I'll try sandman's suggestion for a night or two. Maybe I need more firm layers but with a thin soft topper.

sandman wrote:
You may want to lay on just the medium over the firm to get a feel for what it would be with no soft at all. I don't know if it will work for an overnight sleep with just 6". You are now in the game where you have to guess what is best. You may want to replace the soft but with what?

 

[sandman]

cynicaljones wrote:
Ouch! I don't think this configuration is working for me. I'm fine until I go to turn over in the middle of the night and realize just how much my lower back hurts. I don't think there's enough support there. I think I'll try sandman's suggestion for a night or two. Maybe I need more firm layers but with a thin soft topper.






Sounds like the soft piece does not work for you support wise. Although, you are not complaining about it being uncomfotable, so I assume it feels okay?
Using the medium over the firm, will be even firmer than using XF on the bottom. So, it will be interesting to see if you like that. 6" does not give a lot of depth, so that might make it a bit less comfortable.

 

[cynicaljones]

sandman wrote:
Using the medium over the firm, will be even firmer than using XF on the bottom. So, it will be interesting to see if you like that. 6" does not give a lot of depth, so that might make it a bit less comfortable.



That's good to know. Thank you.

 

[cynicaljones]

I dd not get a chance to change layers around yesterday, so I slept on the M/S/F configuration again last night. I woke up at 3AM with terrible low back pain. So I just now took off the soft layer altogether and will try a night or two with just M/F.
Hopefully, from there I'll be able to determine if I need a XF or another F layer. And if that's too firm, then a 1" to 2" soft or medium topper would probably help, right?

 

[Leo3]

Do you think you mattress cover is really really tight? As in had to stuff the latex in to fit? If so that could make it firm and no small back support. Is the mattress cover kinda stiff? This is when I had lower back pain/small of back pain.
I would call Sleepeze and tell them the situation and ask if they have a 2" layer to replace it with. Could be the cover is to tight. Or you may have to put the 2" over the whole mattress and put something soft and thin over that.
I guess it could be too soft, but you never said if you sink in too much, only you know, and if so then okay you need firmer. How are your shoulders? Are you a side sleeper, or only back?
Keep us posted, and good luck. What is your weight I forgot, if I ever knew.

 

[cynicaljones]

Leo, the cover isn't too tight. It was perfect when I switched the layers around last week, but when I went to remove the soft today it was a little wrnkly, like it ws too loose. I don't know if that is the problem.
I'm tall and weigh about 190 lbs. give or take a few from day to the next. I do think the bed is too soft, or just not supportive enough in the bottom layers. Also, to complicate things further, I sleep on my back AND both sides.
I was going to change my order to M/F/XF or upgrade to a 13,000, but by the time I could call my bed was on the way out the door.

 

[Leo3]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your choices are soft (22-24 ILD), medium (30-32 ILD), firm (38-40 ILD), extra firm (44 ILD) copied from Sleep eze site for my and your reference.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Can't remember if you have natural or blended. If 2.8" or 3", and if natural a bit firmer. Refresh my memory please. I have 8.5" over a mattress (LOL) so I would bottom out if the layers weren't firm underneath and a mattress. I would definitely call Shawn tomorrow, oops Tuesday (holiday remember) and tell him your weight once again, and your situation. Perhaps you can add another layer and mail back the cover to get a 13,000. Or if they won't do that, option 1 add another layer over the mattress top like Mark has done, and some of us others (me)[/FONT].
You are close to my weight so you may need more layers, or firmer layers. but I still would want a comfort layer of 24ILD (S) . Can they do what Flobeds does and request a higher ILD of the top layer? Not sure if 22 to 24 is that big of a difference. But your medium and firm may be the lower ILD's, if label doesn't say, then SOL. I almost think you should try changing the medium to firm, and the firm (MAYBE) to extrafirm. Just throwing ideas out there.
Did you read the persons posting under yours, they have a 13,000 and the husband has lower back back, and the wife feels it is too hard. So Princess and the pea. I think they said it is on a box spring. Personally I think you may consider either a Euroslat or ??? It is so hard to figure out for someone else, let alone myself. I know people think I am nuts having a spring mattress and then 8 1/2" latex, but you know what? It works for me. I like the springiness and I didn't like laying anywhere near the hard springs.
Do you still have your box springs to try putting the latex on?
I was going to say put the S over the F, and then the M for tonight to see how that is.
P.S. Put your frame on the floor and see if that firms up the latex and stops your squeaks (LOL).

 

[cynicaljones]

Leo3 wrote:

Do you still have your box springs to try putting the latex on?
I was going to say put the S over the F, and then the M for tonight to see how that is.
P.S. Put your frame on the floor and see if that firms up the latex and stops your squeaks (LOL).

Hi Leo. No, no box springs, but I wish I did have some.
I already had the soft in between the firm and medium (med. on top) and that was worse then the F/M/S.
I actually did consider putting the foundation on the floor, too. Maybe I will try that tonight.

 

[cynicaljones]

Foundation on foor - no rattles, creaks, bumps or other noises. So I guess I need to put legs on the thing or get a better frame. One thing I noticed is that it was way warmer than usual, and I wonder if that's because of the lack of air flow under the foundation when it'son the floor.
As for comfort. It wasn't perfect but I have much less pain than I did the last few nights. Maybe a little bit from sleeping on my side. It's hard to tell though because I didn't sleep very well because I was too warm.

 

[sandman]

What cofiguration did you sleep on? Have you tried it without the soft? You can also try with soft on bottom, but I don't think that is a great long term solution. You may need a wool mattress pad for heat issues.

 

[cynicaljones]

sandman wrote:
What cofiguration did you sleep on? Have you tried it without the soft? You can also try with soft on bottom, but I don't think that is a great long term solution. You may need a wool mattress pad for heat issues.

I had medium over firm for 6 inch mattress. I didn't want to use soft on the bottom because it just doesn't seem like that would be supportive enough. Prior to this I had med. over soft over firm, and prior to that soft over med. over firm.
The heat issue was not much a problem before last night, so either it was a fluke or there is not enough air circulation under the foundation since it's not raised above the floor for the moment. I will try it like this again tonight and see how it goes.
The metal frame I am using is designed to be used with queen, full or twin mattresses, so there are two adjustable arms that seem to be causing some of the noises (also rattles where the legs attach to the frame). I'm thinking of wrapping tape or cloth around these arms to help reduce the noise.

 

[sandman]

So, how did it feel with just the 6"? Too firm or pretty close? If pretty close, then maybe you want XF for the bottom layer.