Tempurpedic or talalay latex ?

[helpme]

which one should I get.

If tempurpedic which one -
1. cloud lux/allura?
I got rhapsody and it began to give me aches and pains after a month or so, so I returned it.
2. latex mattress - I got all dunlop mattress and it began to give me pains the first day! It was too firm. So I am leaning to talalay latex?
But which seller should I go to?
My situation:
Some sellers are using UPS as the couriers and I have had a really bad personal experiences with UPS when I worked there and I am still experiencing trauma from those incidences so I do not want to use UPS as courier ever and one seller simply told me she won't accomodate my request (csd), so I am left with few options here.
can someone help me please?

 

[jimsocal]

I am personally biased against TP, I think their beds don't give good support. I know others beg to differ.
I would go with Flobeds and if they don't ship other than UPS just buck up and let UPS ship it.
The reason I say this is because you have already failed to like the Dunlop and so you may also fail to like the Talalay. You need a money back guarantee and the ability to adjust your mattress. Thus: Flobeds.

 

[budgy]

I agree with Jim, just incase you are one of the people that might find latex just doesn't work for you.

 

[richardp]

jimsocal wrote:
I am personally biased against TP, I think their beds don't give good support. I know others beg to differ.

I would go with Flobeds and if they don't ship other than UPS just buck up and let UPS ship it.
The reason I say this is because you have already failed to like the Dunlop and so you may also fail to like the Talalay. You need a money back guarantee and the ability to adjust your mattress. Thus: Flobeds.

Negative Post!
Hello, saying tempurpedics don't give enough support is inflammatory! Budgy may be feeling sorry for tempurpedics!
Jokes apart, get the allura, as budgy already said in one of his posts that her/his parents have allura and allura is a good one almost like the grand bed.
Seriuosly, if you don't want to use ups you don't have to. SleepEz may be using some other carrier. Just ask. So Customs sleep design won't accomodate your request?

 

[budgy]

richardp wrote:


Negative Post!
Hello, saying tempurpedics don't give enough support is inflammatory! Budgy may be feeling sorry for tempurpedics!
Jokes apart, get the allura, as budgy already said in one of his posts that her/his parents have allura and allura is a good one almost like the grand bed.
Seriuosly, if you don't want to use ups you don't have to. SleepEz may be using some other carrier. Just ask. So Customs sleep design won't accomodate your request?

Not sure if that really is joking or not.....atleast Jim admits he is biased....plus I never said my parents have an Allura, they sleep on a Rhapsody....all I have ever said about Tempur in the past is that if people are convinced its the way they want to go, get the ones with the highest density material (7.0lb), they will not soften as much.
PS: I also said I couldn't sleep on the Rhapsody in their guest room as my eyes were watering up like crazy. Its pretty hard for me to feel sorry for the worlds most successful mattress brand if a few people on this forum don't like them for legit reasons.

 

[helpme]

budgy wrote:

I agree with Jim, just incase you are one of the people that might find latex just doesn't work for you.
Thanks,I appreciate your advice. I have some questions.

1 what should I buy?
Blended talalay latex or Natural talalay latex?
2 I sleep on my sides.
What layer configuration is best for me.
(about dunlop latex, it was just so firm that I could not sleep)
3. Should I also get the foundation along with the latex mattress?
Out of the 3 foundations listed which one should I get?
Thank you jim, budgy, and richard.

 

[budgy]

helpme wrote:


Thanks,I appreciate your advice. I have some questions.

1 what should I buy?
Blended talalay latex or Natural talalay latex?
2 I sleep on my sides.
What layer configuration is best for me.
(about dunlop latex, it was just so firm that I could not sleep)
3. Should I also get the foundation along with the latex mattress?
Out of the 3 foundations listed which one should I get?
Thank you jim, budgy, and richard.
1. I am personally biased to believe Natural rubber is superior to blended rubber. But it is a little bit preference based. I think if the price difference is really small I would go Natural.
2. I would really ask Flobeds what they would recommend for layer configurations. Generally speaking though, you want some soft layers on top.
3. Again I would also ask Flobeds, but I would think that the flexible base they have will give a little more luxurious bouyant feeling to the mattress.
I should also ask if you have a budget in mind. I wonder if perhaps all foam mattresses are simply not the answer for you. I am not sure where you are located but if there is anyone near you that carries Hastens or VI-Spring that you may want to check out some of their entry level beds...still expensive...but all foam made too thick will displace laterally more than some other mattress builds.

 

[helpme]

I filled out Flobeds chart on their web site - the weight, level of comfort etc.
I wanted a soft surface and it gave me this:
bottom layer xfirm, layer above it xfirm and the v zone layer as xfirm!
I am confused, why would it give me xfirm layers and even vzone as xfirm?
my weight is 221 lbs. sleep on my sides, and age is between 40-49.
And I want a soft upper surface but I don't want to bottom out in the mattress either (well who does want to bottom out?)
and it is giving me vzone layer as x-firm? That would not be soft.
Someone please explain this. Thank you.
Another issue is that flobeds prices are almost 1000 dollars higher then sleepez prices? Please correct me if that is wrong. Thank you.

 

[budgy]

helpme wrote:
I filled out Flobeds chart on their web site - the weight, level of comfort etc.

I wanted a soft surface and it gave me this:
bottom layer xfirm, layer above it xfirm and the v zone layer as xfirm!
I am confused, why would it give me xfirm layers and even vzone as xfirm?
my weight is 221 lbs. sleep on my sides, and age is between 40-49.
And I want a soft upper surface but I don't want to bottom out in the mattress either (well who does want to bottom out?)
and it is giving me vzone layer as x-firm? That would not be soft.
Someone please explain this. Thank you.
Another issue is that flobeds prices are almost 1000 dollars higher then sleepez prices? Please correct me if that is wrong. Thank you.

I just spent a bit of time on both websites trying to do some objective comparisons. I believe you get what you pay for in both cases. I compared the SleepEZ 10,000 and the Flobeds Posture Deluxe...if both are using all natural latex the SleepEZ is 1825 and the FloBeds 2899...so yeah its a substantial difference.
I used the Posture Deluxe because the SleepEZ has no option like the V-Zone. Both use 3, 2.8" layers of natural talalay (Flobeds measures theirs at 2.75" I am assuming these are actually identical though). The SleepEZ cover looks rather inexpensive and is only quilted to 2oz of wool...I am not sure if they mean 2oz per square yard or 2oz for the whole mattress...either way it is a miniscule amount of wool. I can tell you that 1inch of wool that Flobeds uses would have to be atleast 15oz per yard of wool, they also have a much more expensive stretchy organic cotton cover and the mattresses come with a 2" layer of convoluted latex in the top which will definitely help with the softer feel, as well as help disguise any seams down the middle of the bed if you do different firmness on each side.
As for their online configurator I am not sure why it would suggest that to you..I think it could be broken...I see that Flobeds has changed the design of their website immensely..probably having some growing pains. I would actually get on the phone with them to see what they personally recommend. My personal take is that if you got the very bottom layer in x-firm and then perhaps gradually soften towards the top you shouldn't bottom out. But again they would know better on their own mattresses.

 

[copaoly]

budgy wrote:


I just spent a bit of time on both websites trying to do some objective comparisons. I believe you get what you pay for in both cases. I compared the SleepEZ 10,000 and the Flobeds Posture Deluxe...if both are using all natural latex the SleepEZ is 1825 and the FloBeds 2899...so yeah its a substantial difference.
I used the Posture Deluxe because the SleepEZ has no option like the V-Zone. Both use 3, 2.8" layers of natural talalay (Flobeds measures theirs at 2.75" I am assuming these are actually identical though). The SleepEZ cover looks rather inexpensive and is only quilted to 2oz of wool...I am not sure if they mean 2oz per square yard or 2oz for the whole mattress...either way it is a miniscule amount of wool. I can tell you that 1inch of wool that Flobeds uses would have to be atleast 15oz per yard of wool, they also have a much more expensive stretchy organic cotton cover and the mattresses come with a 2" layer of convoluted latex in the top which will definitely help with the softer feel, as well as help disguise any seams down the middle of the bed if you do different firmness on each side.
As for their online configurator I am not sure why it would suggest that to you..I think it could be broken...I see that Flobeds has changed the design of their website immensely..probably having some growing pains. I would actually get on the phone with them to see what they personally recommend. My personal take is that if you got the very bottom layer in x-firm and then perhaps gradually soften towards the top you shouldn't bottom out. But again they would know better on their own mattresses.
When I was at the Sleepez factory, I was able to see a cut-out sample of their covers. According to Jeremy, the cover does have two ounces of wool per square board foot. He said that a board foot is measured 1" x 12" x 12". Im not sure if thats alot, but the wool seemed to be about a half inch in thickness. He said that serves as a natural fire retardant......FYI

 

[budgy]

Thank you for clarifying! that is actually a decent amount of wool, 18oz per square yard. I wish Flobeds would specify how much rather than use 1 inch as a measurement. The most I have ever seen is 1500gsm, or 44oz per square yard.

 

[helpme]

budgy wrote:



I just spent a bit of time on both websites trying to do some objective comparisons. I believe you get what you pay for in both cases. I compared the SleepEZ 10,000 and the Flobeds Posture Deluxe...if both are using all natural latex the SleepEZ is 1825 and the FloBeds 2899...so yeah its a substantial difference.
I used the Posture Deluxe because the SleepEZ has no option like the V-Zone. Both use 3, 2.8" layers of natural talalay (Flobeds measures theirs at 2.75" I am assuming these are actually identical though). The SleepEZ cover looks rather inexpensive and is only quilted to 2oz of wool...I am not sure if they mean 2oz per square yard or 2oz for the whole mattress...either way it is a miniscule amount of wool. I can tell you that 1inch of wool that Flobeds uses would have to be atleast 15oz per yard of wool, they also have a much more expensive stretchy organic cotton cover and the mattresses come with a 2" layer of convoluted latex in the top which will definitely help with the softer feel, as well as help disguise any seams down the middle of the bed if you do different firmness on each side.
As for their online configurator I am not sure why it would suggest that to you..I think it could be broken...I see that Flobeds has changed the design of their website immensely..probably having some growing pains. I would actually get on the phone with them to see what they personally recommend. My personal take is that if you got the very bottom layer in x-firm and then perhaps gradually soften towards the top you shouldn't bottom out. But again they would know better on their own mattresses.

I am confused. Is SleepEZ wool cover 2oz per square foot or yard? Has it got decent amount of wool in that cover.
I am confused as to what is the importance of a wool cover on a latex mattress? Is wool cover really important in a latex mattress or a cotton cover will be good enough?
About the flobeds euroslats foundation. It seems complicated to me. How do they even ship the foundation? Is it shipped whole? or One has to put it together? How difficult it is to put their foundation together?
I looked at that web site about 3 months ago and now their prices have considerably increased? what happened?
Thanks budgy.

 

[budgy]

helpme wrote:



I am confused. Is SleepEZ wool cover 2oz per square foot or yard? Has it got decent amount of wool in that cover.
I am confused as to what is the importance of a wool cover on a latex mattress? Is wool cover really important in a latex mattress or a cotton cover will be good enough?
About the flobeds euroslats foundation. It seems complicated to me. How do they even ship the foundation? Is it shipped whole? or One has to put it together? How difficult it is to put their foundation together?
I looked at that web site about 3 months ago and now their prices have considerably increased? what happened?
Thanks budgy.

Capoaly just confirmed it is 2oz per square foot. Which is a decent amount of wool. Both mattresses have cotton covers, the wool is quilted to the underside of the cover. Wool is there to do a few things.
1. Regulate body temperature. Latex itself may be breathable but it does not wick moisture away from the body. Every person whether we feel it or not perspires about one pint of fluid every night (500ml). Wool can absorb 35% of its weight in moisture and still feel damp, this will keep your skin dry and more comfortable especially in the summer months.
2. Moisture protection for the rubber cores. The salt in our perspiration is incredibly abrasive to all types of foam, it literally pulverizes foam over time, so the wool helps to protect and preserve the latex from this.
3. Fire protection, wool and camel hair are the only two natural fibres that when packed down tightly are fire retardant enough to pass open flame laws. Without these materials you would have to use fire retardant fabrics or fire retardant polyester fibres which are all treated with chemicals to make them fire resistant.
4. A small amount of pressure relief, wool is a good pressure relieving material, it is still used medically today because it prevents bedsores and is used in the treating of pressure ulcers.

 

[jimsocal]

I agree with everything Budgy said. The flobeds software must be broken, you certainly do not want XFirm layers.
You really should call Flobeds and talk with them about your situation. You can get all the info you need in just a few minutes and there is no obligation to buy.
Many of the questions you are asking are impossible to answer. Only you can know whether you need this or that later, all anyone else can do is guess.
There is no certifiable research that shows that Natural Talalay is better than synthetic talalay to my knowledge, especially when comparing LI's talatech to natural talalay. I agree with Budgy, if the synthetic is a lot cheaper and if money is an issue you may want to go with that, that would be my preference. But then again I have not really tried or owned Talatech latex. I know that Sealy says their synthetic latex is actually better than natural latex and I doubt that's true, but....I can't say for sure.
I would ask Flobeds if they would send your order by someone other than UPS. If you're willing to pay extra for that service I imagine they would do it.
I could not sleep on Dunlop near the top but now I am sleeping on a configuration with Dunlop on the bottom and talalay on the top and it is workiing pretty well for me. Dunlop is just too hard or firm or dense or whatever, for many people to sleep on layers of it near the top. Some do like it though.
If the Flobeds or other co's Talalay does not work for you then I'd say you need a spring bed wtih latex layers on top of the springs. But if you go springs I'd recommend the pocket coil design, I am now convinced that is the best design for springs.
Don't you sleep on pocket coils, Budgy? I have been looking at Simmons and Stearns and Foster's new pocket coils (not real new but new to me) and I am impressed. I am sure other companies may be making better ones but I have to admit that I might have to actually try one of these pocket coil mattresses since I cannot afford a specialty brand pocket coil mattress.

 

[Leo3]

Jim,
You have had Talatech. You had a Flobeds before, that is Talatech, I thought you had blended latex. What latex do you have over your Dunlop now? Isn't that from Latex International? Or is it Radium, or ?
Personally, my opinion, is polyester filled pillows are dust magnets. I like talalay latex pillows. They have them in firm, and high profile, low profile, soft, etc. I have every variety.
I have natural latex layers from LI. I just wanted natural, it is a personal preference. Time will tell how long it lasts.
I would never have memory foam again, yuck.
Everyone is different, everyone.