Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Dec 28, 2008 1:34 PM
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Just purchased a King Koil - Cool Nights latex mattress and both my husband and I feel like it felt much less firm in the store.

My gut was telling me not to make the purchase, but my husband was waking up in pain every morning.  We were sleeping on a Simmons pillow top Back Supporter.  We decided latex was the way to go.  I thought we should go the DIY route or buy a more expensive "all latex" model....but here we are.  I know the KK has a non latex foam core and lots of latex on top, we bought a higher end model that has more latex in it but still...

Now I'm thinking I need to soften this KK up.  Will a laytex topper help?  Can someone recommed a topper model, latex or otherwise?

I am so disappointed so far with this purchase.

Thanks.

Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #18 Jan 21, 2009 8:28 PM
Joined: Dec 28, 2008
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Well, I am back to being miserable.  We put the pillow top topper back on because I still need just a bit more softness and now I feel like I've been run over by a truck.  Bed feels pretty comfy when I go to sleep except laying on my side which has hurt my shoulder from the beginning.

I'm thinking now maybe I need a more supportive pillow.

I wish we had NEVER bought this bed.  :(

Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #19 Jan 21, 2009 9:37 PM
Location: L.A. area
Joined: Jan 18, 2008
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TXMichelle wrote:
Well, I am back to being miserable.  We put the pillow top topper back on because I still need just a bit more softness and now I feel like I've been run over by a truck.  Bed feels pretty comfy when I go to sleep except laying on my side which has hurt my shoulder from the beginning.

I'm thinking now maybe I need a more supportive pillow.

I wish we had NEVER bought this bed.  :(


My suggestion is that you try different toppers. There are many ILDs (firmnesses) of latex, so try some softer or  harder. Try 1", try 2". Try 2 X 1" - one softer, one firmer. Try it with the firm on bottom, try it with the firm on top.

Since you and your husband are different weights, if you have a King, you can buy twin toppers for just your side, and experiment on just your side til your heart's content. If he also wants a topper, you can still do them individually. Two toppers side by side tend to stay put, so this allows you to experiment with different toppers on each side.

Try zoning:
Get 2 different one inch thick toppers: one firmer, one softer. Cut each one into thirds, upper body, middle and lower body. Now you can mix and match. You can for example put 2 soft one-inch layers for your shoulder (top third) then you can put the 2 x 1" firm layers under your midsection and the other two at your feet. The lower third is a "free zone" because it doesn't really matter what you put there, in my experience. You can also of course try putting one firmer over one softer layer in the middle, or vice versa. Having the two 1" toppers cut into thirds gives you a lot of room to experiment. Use an electric meat carving knife to cut them, it's easy as pie, they cut like a hot knife through butter.

You can also try buying one soft latex 1" topper and one soft memory foam 1" topper and that also gives you a lot of choices.

Good luck!
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #20 Jan 21, 2009 9:50 PM
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It's just too darn complicated for me.  We already spent a small fortune on the bed itself and three different toppers.  I already took the 1" foam topper back.

I would rather just sleep on the old bed which is upstairs versus ordering and returning toppers and dismanteling the bed every time we try something new.  This bed purchase was the biggest $3000 mistake we ever made.  Actually it's the only $3000 mistake we ever made.

Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #21 Jan 22, 2009 9:35 PM
Location: L.A. area
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TXMichelle wrote:
It's just too darn complicated for me.  We already spent a small fortune on the bed itself and three different toppers.  I already took the 1" foam topper back.

I would rather just sleep on the old bed which is upstairs versus ordering and returning toppers and dismanteling the bed every time we try something new.  This bed purchase was the biggest $3000 mistake we ever made.  Actually it's the only $3000 mistake we ever made.


Suit yourself, but I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
There is nothing complicated about buying 2 one-inch toppers and cutting them into thirds then mixing and matching them on your bed to try to get comfort.
Sounds to me like you are happy enough with your situation that you don't feel the need to remedy it, or else you're just being lazy.
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #22 Jan 23, 2009 6:13 AM
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Jim--you're starting to sound like Sager! You've been in enough pain and have sounded discouraged enough to know how frustrating it is when nothing you try works. I agree you have to keep trying because I've been there myself, but I've also been in the place where I'm too tired and frustrated to feel like I want to do anything more at the moment. Not to mention that in Michelle's situation she had spent a whole lot of money already and all it's gotten her is a horribly uncomfortable bed and a horrible night's sleep. Have a little compassion!

Michelle, maybe you should spend a few nights on your old mattress so you can get some rest. In time you'll probably start thinking of ways to make the new one work for you again. I've been working on improving my mattress off and on for the past three months and it's taken awhile and some frustration but I finally feel like I'm getting somewhere. And boy, when you start to get it right, does it ever feel good!

Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #23 Jan 23, 2009 9:24 AM
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We use a snugfleece original wool topper over our latex bed and are very happy with the results.

FYI....Dreamsoftbedware has the snugfleece line on sale Friday and Saturday for 25% off with code JanVal09 with free shipping as well.

We are not affiliated with either snugfleece or dreamsoft.

Philip
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #24 Jan 23, 2009 3:21 PM
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I am almost afraid to order this wool topper. What if I waste $277? Or what if I love it? I can't afford any more wasted money.

Michelle said she wasted $3000, and that was their first wasted money. Most of us have wasted more money on many different beds and are truly upset and ashamed with that (me).

Also I understand why she doesn't want to cut and paste her toppers. I really struggled with moving the toppers around top to bottom and it is upsetting and tiring to say the least. I couldn't think of cutting them all up and wasting more money.

I have to say the washable or the unwashable versions are confusing. I think the unwashable will probably be the most comfortable. But this is the last topper I will try. I hope I will sleep cooler, that would be a definite plus!!!
This message was modified Jan 23, 2009 by Leo3
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #25 Jan 23, 2009 4:18 PM
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Leo,

I believe that snugfleece has a 30 day, if you're not happy for any reason, return policy.

Philip
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #26 Jan 24, 2009 10:14 PM
Location: L.A. area
Joined: Jan 18, 2008
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cloud9 wrote:
Jim--you're starting to sound like Sager! You've been in enough pain and have sounded discouraged enough to know how frustrating it is when nothing you try works. I agree you have to keep trying because I've been there myself, but I've also been in the place where I'm too tired and frustrated to feel like I want to do anything more at the moment. Not to mention that in Michelle's situation she had spent a whole lot of money already and all it's gotten her is a horribly uncomfortable bed and a horrible night's sleep. Have a little compassion!

Michelle, maybe you should spend a few nights on your old mattress so you can get some rest. In time you'll probably start thinking of ways to make the new one work for you again. I've been working on improving my mattress off and on for the past three months and it's taken awhile and some frustration but I finally feel like I'm getting somewhere. And boy, when you start to get it right, does it ever feel good!


cloud9, yeah I am usually not so curt and abrasive. But it struck me that the poster was being lazy - wanting advice yet not being willing to do anything about her situation. There is no point asking for advice or suggestions if one is not willing to try some more experiments...
In any case I apologize to Michelle for my abrasiveness. I know it can be frustrating to not find a comfortable night's sleep no matter what you do, especially after spending that much money.
Good luck!
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #27 Jan 24, 2009 10:53 PM
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Michelle, What pillow are you sleeping on? 

When I made my bed too firm under my 1" topper (when I thought I would try a 44 ILD under my topper), my shoulders would ache in the morning. I also sleep on the side.  The only combination that seems to be working for me is my right side of my bed that has the 1" soft latex topper over the two 37 ILD 3" natural latex cores over the 46 ILD blended Talalay Latex core over my slat bed. My left side of my bed is still slightly too firm since I put a 44 ILD in the middle and it feels the best when I go to sleep but I wake up with a little bit of shoulder pain.  But the 36 ILD in the middle is too soft for me so I may call Dave at FloBeds one more time and explain to him that my car accident has made my back and neck so sensitive since I now have 5 herniated disks.  I love my FloBed since it allowed me to make it just right before the car accident and to now change it to fit my new back after the car accident.  it is just me on my bed, I am very comfortable most nights sleeping on my right side but sometimes from all the stress in my life and that time in my life, I wake up sweaty and need to switch to the other side of the bed.  I can live with the left side but prefer it to have two 37 ILD's and not one of them being a 36 ILD. Amazing that one ILD can affect me so greatly. 

I sleep on a natural latex pillow from overstock in a standard size.  The Pillows FloBed sent me over had a better feel but were Queen size so too thick for me. Dave tried to cut one skinnier for me but it turned out too skinny and I now appreciate the original Overstock Latex pillows I bought and feel that are supportive but soft enough for my petite size and I sleep well on them without allergies.

I feel for you since it is awful not getting a good night's sleep.  I would try a new pillow as well as maybe cutting thicker softer latex foam for your shoulder area.  I have made expensive mistakes in my life also that I wish I could redo but I can't.  I know my previous way too hard bed was a very expensive mistake that I lived with for I think about 12 years.  I did not wake up with back pain but I kept moving all night from side to side to get off of the pressure points and was wishing I kept my twin size perfectly comfortable bed and not bought that awful Posteupedic with no cushion at all Queen Size bed.   I am now sleeping on a Queen Size FloBed with split sides to allow me to make each size comfortable for myself with many combinations. I was hoping to have a partner for the other side but since I am still alone, I am making both sides just right for me.