Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Dec 28, 2008 1:34 PM
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Just purchased a King Koil - Cool Nights latex mattress and both my husband and I feel like it felt much less firm in the store.

My gut was telling me not to make the purchase, but my husband was waking up in pain every morning.  We were sleeping on a Simmons pillow top Back Supporter.  We decided latex was the way to go.  I thought we should go the DIY route or buy a more expensive "all latex" model....but here we are.  I know the KK has a non latex foam core and lots of latex on top, we bought a higher end model that has more latex in it but still...

Now I'm thinking I need to soften this KK up.  Will a laytex topper help?  Can someone recommed a topper model, latex or otherwise?

I am so disappointed so far with this purchase.

Thanks.

Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #33 Feb 3, 2009 3:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2, 2009
Points: 15
Step one is to figure out if your hip pain is coming from the mattress or box spring.  Put the mattress on the floor and see how (or if) the problem gets better or worse.
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #34 Feb 3, 2009 4:47 PM
Location: Yosemite area
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Points: 249
To Leo:
I agree with Jim.  First you have to find out if your mattress is giving too much or too little.  Spring Air has crappy springs...so if it is 12 years old it is just shot no doubt.  I researched by finding what springs worked best for me and finding the best feel for my comfort(stayed at different hotels and took notes), and then took the leap to have a bed made.  It started out firm, but has become like a comfortable pair of slippers.  I have had low back pain for YEARS.  I was very worried that it was going to become chronic insofar as I would not be able to fix it with a good mattress at some point, which made me decide to stop sleeping on a mattress that I could not make work and take the leap.
My pain was caused by the lack of support in the various mattresses I owned(generally, too much padding going flat too soon and lousy springs).  New mattress(with offset coils)new boxspring(with coils), made the old fashioned way(two layers of "insulators" to keep the padding from assimilating into the coils), and only a bit of foam on top is what finally worked.
I have not woken up with a backache since I got this mattress.  I have hip support.  Yesterday I was working in the garden and spent too much time bending over...low back siezed up.  Bad.  I did the usual, ice, heat, laid on the firm couch...then went to bed.  That is where my pain would have gotten worse before.  This am I woke up, same position I was in when i laid down, and my back was 95 % perfect...just a teensy twinge to remind me not to do that so much.  YAY!!!!  Before I would have been on pain meds, laid out for at least two weeks and really pissed off at myself and my bed. 
Kait
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #35 Feb 4, 2009 3:44 PM
Joined: May 3, 2008
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Okay I see no body impressions on the mattress. I I truly hope and believe a topper will fix this. If this mattress had tempered coils in box springs (I think it does) and a flipable mattress I believe (and hope) the springs are better (in the mattress) than anything I could buy today. I can not afford to buy another mattress, so I have to band-aid this one. Where there is a will there is a way. Of course I can't buy good topper cheap, so that is another problem.

How do you find out the history of a 12 year old mattress from Spring Air? I tried to find out online, and no info. Spring Air is only promoting their one side mattresses of today. I thought they only started making one side mattresses about 5 years ago?

Kait, I think your back problems are (of course) different from my hip problems. So I think the mattress problems are different, I don't know, what I don't know could fill a book!

JimBC, I would like to hear your history of problems of mattresses. I could learn more... I am interested.....
This message was modified Feb 4, 2009 by Leo3
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #36 Feb 5, 2009 10:13 AM
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Leo, it'll take me a few days to summarize this info.  I'll post it as soon as it's done.  My partner and I have been dealing with "the bed problem" for more than five years.
Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #37 Feb 6, 2009 2:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2, 2009
Points: 15

Leo, here's our mattress history as promised.

 

This nightmare started about five years ago, when my partner talked me into replacing our 25 year-old, basic, inexpensive but supremely comfortable JC Penney bed.  There was nothing wrong with it that a set of sheets couldn't hide, just the normal stains that accumulate over time, even when using a mattress pad.  But still it was pretty gross, and attempts to clean the mattress failed miserably, so I agreed to dump it.

 

I've always understood that a comfortable bed is not an expense, it's an investment, so we didn't scrimp when we budgeted for a new bed.  Our first replacement was an $1800 Spring Air pillowtop set from Mancini's.  I explained our sleep patterns (we're side-sleepers, exclusively) to the salesman, and he insisted a pillowtop mattress was best for us.  This was the first time we let a mattress salesman talk us into something that I knew wasn't true.  Enough of our friends and family had already been through hell with pillowtops, we should have known better than to listen to this guy.  But he was simply doing what all salesmen do: trying to get rid of whichever brands and models he had the most excess stock of.

 

The Spring Air set was a disaster from the beginning.  Our hips were sinking way too low into the mattress, and within a week both of us started waking up with lower back pain.  We called Mancini's and -- I still don't believe we did this -- we let the clown manager talk us into "waiting until we adjust" to it, which was their way of saying, "Please go away for 30 days, until our comfort guarantee expires."  Well, we fell for that scam, and after six weeks we were in excruciating pain, and the store refused an exchange or refund.

 

We couldn't afford another bed at that point, so we resorted to slicing the pillowtop off the mattress with a razor blade.  We were amazed to discover we had the same hip problems and back pain, even with no top on the bed.  So we figured the problem had to be bad springs in the mattress.  We got a replacement (firm top) mattress from a family member.  Same problem!

 

As it turns out, our hip problems were being caused by Spring Air's crappy box spring.  We had sliced up a brand new mattress for nothing!  The same replacement mattress, on another box spring, was very comfortable -- at least for a few months, until its foam comfort layers started to compress.  It quickly became a concrete slab.  Instead of hip pain we started having neck and shoulder pain every morning, our arms were falling asleep etc.  By then our finances had recovered and we could afford to start this whole process over again.

We had been hearing a lot about the divine miracles of latex and memory foams, and we spent about three years experimenting with foam mattresses and toppers of every sort.  Not only foams but wool, featherbeds, air beds etc.  And after three years we still were waking up in pain, and couldn't sleep for longer than a few hours at a time.  I don't know how many thousands of dollars we flushed down the toilet over the course of three years, but we finally realized that FOAM = CRAP, and we needed to go back to a traditional coil mattress and box spring -- regardless of the snake oil, outrageous claims and outright lies that petrochemical companies perpetrate on consumers every year.  By then we had also sworn off products from any of the "S" companies, even Stearns & Foster (which many years ago was bought out and gutted by Sealy).

 

Our next purchase was a medium-range Aireloom set ($2500), which was very comfortable -- again until the comfort layers began to collapse.  Only this time it became too soft instead of too hard, and we were back to square one: hip and lower back pain every morning.  However we did get nearly a year of comfortable sleep out of it.  We replaced it with the McRoskey "gentle" mattress that we're currently sleeping on.  We couldn't afford a matching box spring for it (each piece was $2000+), so we put it on a solid foundation.  It's firmer than we'd like, but I have to say it's comfortable and an extremely even/consistent sleeping surface, no doubt because it doesn't use any foam.  We're now in the process of finding a higher-end coil box spring we can afford, to hopefully soften it up a little.  In addition, some of the mattress tufts have started to tear through the ticking, even though neither me nor my partner are overweight, and even though we've flipped and turned the mattress according to McRoskey's schedule.  They said they will cover this problem under their warranty, and we have no complaints about their customer service.  They've been extremely helpful and courteous.

Re: Feel like I slept on a Rock - Now what?
Reply #38 Feb 6, 2009 3:20 PM
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Jim,

Thanks for the posting on your history of mattress hell. The Airloom that was $2500 what brand was that? The latex and featherbeds and others can you tell me exactly what happen there? Just sheer misery? So what I can gather is the last 5 years the mattress springs are garbage. I still can't remember when they starting making one side mattresses and garbage.

As I said my Spring Air is 12 years or older. I think these springs are better. Just compressed foam. I don't have the guts to tear it apart. I think it is better than the current springs. What happen with the wool topper you tried?

Can't understand why the ticking on the McRoskey's would disintegrate. That happens with so many products today, outdoor water nozzles that leak, they replace, but do you want to fight/call every 6 months? Some of these companies will replace, but they know the consumer will soon tire of replacing every 6 months. This is why I think consumers will try to build their own mattresses.

Can you elaborate more on the home made mattress configurations? And yes I do agree if the springs suck you can't build on top of that.

I bought many mattresses and had the same experiences, kept the 12 year old Spring Air in the guest room and here I am again. Foam and Memory Foam is no good in my opinion. I do think we can learn from each other mistakes. We do not all have the same issues, but some of us do. I have never (knock on wood) had back issues, just hip and shoulder issues. So I am not sure why but it all is from crummy mattresses.

Thanks for the information.