Mattress Forum

Hi Phoenix, I am the person who puchased this Dunlop Mattress.

It is 1" of 18 ILD on top then the next layer below is 2" of 24 ILD, below it is 6" of 24-32 ILD.  I called the company that makes it and first the person who picked the phone told me that the mattress is medium feel but that is not what I am feeling after trying hard to sleep on it since last week.

 ( I asked him who makes their dunlop and he would not tell me!

So I called their showroom and the sales person did not know who makes their latex! Then he called me later and said it was a company called LATEXCO.

So I called LATEXCO. And they have 2 offices one in East an done on West coast. I called the one in East and asked him if this company sources their latex from you - he replied that it does not ring a bell!

Then he told me LATEXCO DOES NOT MAKE DUNLOP LATEX!

I then called the West Coast office of Latexco and the salesperson told me LATEXCO MAKES DUNLOP LATEX. But he does not think LATEXCO sources their latex to the company I bought this DUNLOP LATEX BED FROM!

The whole thing is starting to sound fishy. )

I had the mattress for only a few days. I have a wollen mattress pad on it and a 400 thread count Egyptian cotton sheet on it.

Since the day I had this all supossedly Dunlop mattress, I have not gotten a decent sleep. It feels okay when I lay on it just for a couple

of seconds and then the matress begins to press against my body. Honestly, it feels firm, really firm. I am tossing and turning every minute and I am half awake all night. 

Should I return the mattress or should I spend more money and Add a topper. I have never slept on Talalay latex before so I would like to get a topper from place that takes the returns. What places do you know of that do that?

My Statistics are: weight 225 lbs, height 6 feet 1 inches, side sleeper, health issues are low backpain and neck pain.

Thank you very much Phoenix ;)

What brand is your mattress ... who did you buy it from?

I am not aware of any Dunlop latex that is 18 ILD and even 24 in Dunlop is usually considered soft so the first thing to do is confirm what actual ILD and type of latex is in your mattress. Once you know this it will be much easier to decide where to go next.

A wool pad will likely make the latex firmer as well. Some will make it quite a bit firmer ... some only a little firmer. Anything that isn't "stretchy" on top will do this.

Searching "dallas" or "Texas" in the forum will give you a list of outlets that sell latex.

Phoenix

Thank you Phoenix. What do you suggest I put on the top f the mattress? Any topper at all? What kind of sheets?

It is made by a company called Innomax. The name of the mattress is "white night". On their web site it describes ILDs of this mattress. 1" of 18 ILD, 2" of 24 ILD, and 6" of 28-32 ILD. On the mattress tag it does not even say what kind of latex it is. Just that it is 94% latex and 6% cloth. When I called Innomax they said it is Dunlop latex but I have No tags on mattress or any literature from the company that says it is Dunlop latex.

I am worried as whole thing is getting confusing. Could SOMEONE CALL INNOMAX and ASK THEM What latex if ANY is used in this mattress? May be they will give him/her a better reply.  Thanks.

Since you said that 18 LD or 24 ILD are soft but they make up only the top 1 inch and the next layer 2 inch of the mattress. So why is this mattress so firm? When I lay on it it feels firm but not too firm but soon it starts to feel firm to the point I am tossing and turning in the bed to get some relief and I lie half awake in the bed all night.  When I get up I look at my face in the mirror and I look really tired.This thing is getting me really worried.

Thanks you Phoenix.

The first step is to confirm what is actually in it. If it is Talalay, then it would be (and feel) softer than if it is Dunlop.

My phone will be tied up for a few hours but once it is free I will try to confirm which it is. Then it will be easier to decide what to do next.

Latex itself sometimes feels firmer to some people than others (especially those that are used to cheap soft polyfoam) and what feels "firm" to you would be "too soft" for someone else. At your weight, normally a higher ILD will feel softer than someone who weighs less but this is clearly not the case for you.

Being a side sleeper, you may just need another inch or two of soft Talalay to allow your "bony parts" to sink in a little more but before anything else it would make sense to confirm what you already have.

No matter what it is ... it is a nice mattress ... but I understand the frustrations of not being able to get accurate information.

Phoenix

Phoenix I bought this matress from Sams Club and it is made by Innomax and called white night. But the description on sams club and on innomax web site are different and none tells whether it is dunlop or Talalay or blended or what it is really.

Innomax salespeople did not seem confident about what type of latex the matress is made from and specially what is the source of that latex and the labels on the white night mattress like I mentioned before just say 94% latex and 6% cotton nor is the 1 piece of paper that came with the mattress says what latex and what source and if any what certification it has.

I will wait after you can get them to answer these questions clearly. Thanks Phoenix.

(Worried in Texas)

 

In any case I'll see what I can find out.

Phoenix.

Phoenix

Thanks Phoenix for update. let know what is going on.

When the maker Innomax does does not know what kind of latex and what ILD and which source they are using in making this White Night mattress, it does not inspire confidence in the consumer.

It is remarkable the maker has to find ot what goes in their mattress.

The tag on the mattress has no description either.

I will wait for your response. thanks again Phoenix.

Phoenix

He didn't know specifically about the Innomax (he doesn't deal with this part of latexco) but he did confirm that Latexco's Puralux is available in very soft ILD's. This is a continuous pour "variation" of Dunlop that is one of the many "Dunlop variations" that are being produced in various places around the world. It does not come in 6" cores but can be produced up to 3" thick. It is a "mostly natural" blend and has less SBR latex in it than Talalay but it can be produced in a variety of "mixtures". The website says it can also be made in an all natural version. It is often used as a quilting layer in a mattress but since it can be made up to 3" thick and in a wide range of ILD's and is being produced in the US, I am guessing that it will start "popping up" in more places as in comfort layers. The 6" core is probably Durolux 5 Zone (28 -32 ILD zones).

So it is almost certain that this is what the Innomax is using in at least the top layers. If this is the case ... then at least in terms of specs ... 1" 18 ILD over 2" 24 ILD over 28-32 zoned would feel quite soft to most people and probably similar in feel to similar ILD talalay comfort layers (maybe a bit firmer). This means that what feels fairly soft to most people feels firm to you so the "firmness" is a matter of your individual perception and not because the latex itself is "too firm". This would also likely mean that what many people called soft and what was sold in stores as soft or medium/soft may also feel firm to you. Part of the "problem" though may be the thickness of the comfort layers.

Because most of the comfort layer is 24 ILD (which is bordering on medium) this is what you would mostly be feeling, but you are probably also going through this (the top 3") a bit (because of your weight) and also be feeling some of the "firmness" of the bottom layer as well even though this is also less than many support layers. All in all this indicates to me that if you decide to go with a topper in Talalay then either 19 ILD or 14 ILD would seem to "fit" your preferences better. I would test them both in stores on top of a mattress with a similar construction to yours so your own perception can tell you which is better for you.

I doubt you would need more than 2" in either 19 or 14 ILD since you already have 3" of softness under you which you would be adding to and if you go too much thicker than this you may be risking alignment problems because you were sinking down too far in your hips.

Again though ... because your perceptions may be outside of "average" I would put a lot of emphasis on your personal experiences and "lay on mattress" testing.

Phoenix