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Copied from another thread so sjeanine's journey was easier to follow instead of mixed in with other stuff.... sjeanine wrote: Sorry, I see by my last posted reply that I didnt post it right so trying again! Phoenix, I'm wondering who/where you finally bought your mattress layers from?? Can you exchange them at any time if you want to? I am wanting to do the same as you did...building the layers but, not sure where/who to buy them from?! I'm finding the whole mattress buying thing as stressful as buying a car and just wish I could be done but want to make sure I am getting the right fit the first time! What size did you get and approx how much did it cost you? Did you already have a foundation to put the layers on and if so, where did you get that? Thanks so much for sharing. I hope I can find something I'm as happy with as you seem! ; ) sjeanine Phoenix wrote: sjeanine, I had enough confidence from my own personal experiences and research to believe that I could get it right the first time as shipping costs for a whole mattress would really exclude comfort exchanges. I would have had to use toppers to make any changes and in a softer mattress that is more difficult. It is a manufactured mattress as opposed to a zip cover (which I wanted as it was "tighter" and reinforced for the adjustable bed). If a comfort exchange would have been more important to me I would have certainly had many options outside of this one and it was a little "riskier" than other options I had but I believed it was worth it to get what I wanted. They ship anywhere in the US (my shipping was from Texas to Washington State near Tacoma). Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Thanks for telling me about the "all" button! I found your reply....sorry... Is there any way that you could send me a pic or post a pic of your mattress selection? Did you tell them the specs you wanted or was it something they already had made up that you could choose? I live in IL and just dont have a clue who to buy from. I spent some time at the mall yesterday with a guy who sold tempurpedics and I told him I really thought I wanted to go with Latex, from what all I've read....He had a few "Nature's Rest" Latex beds but they were quite pricey and he couldnt really tell me anything about them. He said he had them for people like me who wanted a natural bed but that he really thought I should buy a tempurpedic! Ugh! The Tempurpedic Cloud did feel wonderful but, I just really want to find something with less chemicals...I already have asthma and cough most of the night as it is and I liked the thought of something all natural, like latex. sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: Yes, They and most manufacturers have mattresses that are "standard" configurations but mine was built to my own specs. For example I could have chosen 2.5" outer layers instead of 3 or changed the core or any layer to any ILD I wanted. Most will also have a choice of ticking and what goes in the quilting (wool, latex, cotton etc) as well. I finally got around to putting a few pictures on Flickr which I understand is needed to post pictures to the forum so as soon as I read how to do that I'll post a few pictures here (and in the other thread about the Natura pad). Natures Rest is "sort of" latex in some of their models but even their top end has too much poly in the comfort layers for me and as you said they are way too expensive for what you get. Most of the bigger brands are like this when it comes to their "latex" mattresses. Memory foam is a really tricky thing and the only good thing about Tempur-pedic IMO is that it is a known quantity. Unfortunately "known" means a price that is hard to justify and also comes with the negatives of memory foam. I like the feel of memory foam in certain layers in a mattress (my favorite is a thin layer of latex over memory foam over latex similar to the high end NXG 575) but the negatives are just too many for me when it comes to memory foam. If I did go in that direction ... there are enough "known" alternatives now (along with many unknown alternatives) that I would never go in the direction of Tempur and pay their price. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Phoenix, Thanks for the pics! I woke up this morning with my shoulders killing me cuz of my mattress so I need to make a decision soon....just afraid of making the wrong one and being stuck with it! You did have an advantage in that you were able to go to the store to talk to someone and try the beds out....whereas I am trying to decide over an internet...makes it tough! Plus, we really dont have the money to buy a new mattress....will have to finance it but, it's a necessity since the dr told me if I dont find a better mattress soon, I could end up with permanant nerve damage in my shoulders. Ugh! Thanks again. SJ
Phoenix wrote: "You did have an advantage in that you were able to go to the store to talk to someone and try the beds out" There aren't any mattress stores near you that sell latex mattress or at least mattresses with latex in the top layers? As you know I didn't try this mattress before I bought it but I would never have considered buying it sight unseen like I did unless I had tried other latex mattresses first to get an idea of the specs that worked for me. Are you sure there are really no mattress stores near you? If there isn't ... I would definitely get a mattress that would allow you a comfort exchange at low shipping cost. A mattress that is a "manufactured unit" would really only be suitable for someone who was reasonably sure what they needed or had tried it first. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: The only place I could find with any latex mattresses, after an exhausting search was right at our local mall....but, they only had the Tempurpedics and Natures Rest so, I did lay on them and really liked them but not willing to pay $3,000...plus, after seeing their reviews online, wasnt wanting to buy a Nature's Rest. I am 5'4" tall and weigh 125 and my dh is 5'9" and weighs about 165. I have some RA going on and my shoulders bother me a LOT at night and I also have a bad neck that causes me a lot of headaches...My dh is fine with sleeping on a rock but I have to find something else....We currently have a 10 yr old Sealy Posturepedic Inclination Plush Pillow Top....Seems like ten years ago it felt great but it sure causes me pain now! sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: The Tempurpedic is not a latex mattress and is VERY different from latex. They are polar opposites. The natures rest has some latex in it but also lots of poly so it wouldn't really give you a fair comparison. What city do you live in? I would really NOT buy a manufactured mattress like I did unless you had some experience laying on latex mattresses. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: I live near the Quad Cities (Moline, Rock Island, IL and Davenport and Bettendorf, IA)....small town on the outskirts. I sent you a pm... Phoenix wrote: You have LOTS of choices to test mattresses around you. In a quick search I found many including the few I listed here. I would go to Lebeda first as I know they make latex mattresses at decent prices. I stopped looking because there were so many so I would do a little internet research and make a few calls and then go and lay on some latex BEFORE you buy anything :) http://www.lebeda.com/ They are a manufacturer (like the one I got mine from) and they make latex mattresses at good prices. http://www.ashleyfurniturehomestore.com/ Ashley sleep (check to see if there is poly in these in the comfort layers) http://www.lifestylesfurniture.com/catalog.php3?category=0000001190 Dormia http://www.furniturerow.com/DenverMattressCo/ItemType/Queen%20Mattress%20Set/ Aspen and Snowmass http://lwbeddingqc.com/about_us.htm Another custom manufacturers. Check to see if they make latex mattresses Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Phoenix, Thanks! I guess when I did my research, I was just Googling latex mattresses and nothing would come up for my area...as far as furniture stores carrying them. I'm not very pc literate... I will go and check out Lebeda today. Funny cuz the guy at the mall told me "they" were the only ones in the area who carried latex! What kinds of questions should I be asking? I mean, just laying on it isnt going to make me decide cuz you cant tell that quickly how it will feel over a few months of laying on it....I dont want anything with poly or chemicals in it cuz I have bad allergies as it is. We removed the carpeting from our bedroom and put an air purifier in just to help out. Phoenix wrote: "What kinds of questions should I be asking?" Here's the quick version. 1. First go and flop around on some mattresses ... any mattresses ... to find out what kind of overall feel you like ... plush to firm. This part doesn't have to be latex. 2. Next spend some time on ones that are "in the range" with at least 3" of latex in the very top (preferably all latex and at MOST 1" of poly) in all your sleeping positions to see if you can feel any pressure points. Make sure you use a suitable pillow when you do this. Ask for the specs of the ones that don't give you any pressure points. 3. Next spend some time on the ones that don't give you any pressure problems and check for spinal alignment on each of them in all your sleeping positions. This step too should be with either latex in the top (if you are considering this as an option) or all latex if that is what you are looking for. It helps if someone can help you here. When you're on your side your spine should be straight (a yardstick can help here) and when you're on your back there should be no "gaps" between the more recessed parts of your body (like the small of your back) and the mattress. Your spine should be in the same position here as when you are standing up straight with good posture so that no parts are sinking in too far or too little. 4. Make sure you get the exact specs of any mattresses that are close so that you can find out the ILD (softness/firmness) of the latex and the layering (the ILD aned thickness of each layer) that works for you. If the salesperson can't or won't give them to you exactly, then write down the brand and model and either look it up on the internet or post here if you need help. 5. DO NOT BUY anything while you are testing mattresses out no matter what kind of a deal you are offered. The stores or manufacturers that depend on phony sales and pressure are usually not so confident in their product they offer. Most of the better choices can be bought anytime at a good price. The most important part is to get to know what works for you. Then and only then are you ready to consider what to buy. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Thanks again, Phoenix! I'm heading out now to go mattress shopping and will report later what I found out. I'm headed to L&W, Lebeda and Ashley's! ; ) I called L&W to find out where they're located first cuz I'd never heard of them so I can tell you already that he (the owner) said he makes all his own mattresses except the latex. He said he gets those from Latex International?? He said the two types he has are Dunlop and they're 100percent natural latex. He said one has ilds of 36-38 and the other is around 40. He does not do layering cuz it comes this way to him. He said they're two sided so should be flipped after about a year and he sells them for $1600 something. Shouldn't there be layers of latex/foam?? I'm confused about it being one big slab...I forgot to ask how many inches thick it was but I'll find out when I go there in a bit. sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: Latex international is a high quality latex manufacturer that most of North America gets their quality latex from. They mostly supply latex that's made in a way called Talalay but they and others also use a method called Dunlop which is a little firmer and less "bouncy". Most people use a layering scheme when they buy a latex mattress but having said that there may be some where a single layer is perfect. This is less likely though unless you like a firm mattress with less "give" on the top. Any experience though will help you come to know what is right for you. Good luck Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Phoenix,
Hi, I'm back from my shopping and here's what I found out today: Lebeda Matress: Had two beds with 4" of Dunlopia Latex (that's what the lady said) on top of 805 coil springs...all inside the quilted lining....one bed had a bamboo top and the other had wool she said....One of them had some sort of extra support in the center top part...at least that's where she was showing it with her hands....She said her husband had a metal rod in his back and he loved the one bed with the extra support....I wasnt prepared to see these since I didnt know they made latex beds with springs...but, they were both extremely comfortable....both were around the same price of $2500. When I asked if she had any just plain latex mattresses, without any springs inside, she showed me another mattress that she said was 8" of latex only. It was sitting on box springs and was $1500 for a queen set but didnt feel quite as comfortable as the other two. She said it was their most popular bed that sold to most chiro's and other doctors. The ild of all three mattresses, according to her, was 33. When I asked to see the specs, she was quite guarded and wouldnt let me see them but was reading it to me....I cant remember any of it now....When I asked where the latex came from, she said Cedar Rapids, Iowa....Oh, the mattresses could not be flipped cuz of the springs...except for the $1500 set...it was 2 sided. L & W Mattress: This was a little "ma and pop" shop...his words! lol But, he did have one latex bed on display. It was 6" of latex from Latex International with an ild of 36 or 38...cant remember for sure which it was but it definitely felt stiffer than the ones at Lebeda and I told him that I was afraid the hardness on my shoulders would cause problems and he said he could add another smaller layer of maybe 1" of latex on both sides that was a smaller ild...like a pillow he said, then add wool before he sewed on the bamboo cover but....said he'd have to get back with me Friday about how much more it would cost to do that. His warrantee was 10 years straight and then 10 yrs pro-rated and he said if it was not right, he'd make it right by adding or taking away whatever I needed him to in order to make it comfortable for me. I liked this but a bit worried about what it will cost and also worried about how hard/stiff it was anyway. He said the mattress sits on a 85 coil spring box springs....thought that seemed like not very many springs for a queen...plus, I thought latex beds were supposed to be on a wooden/slat frame....what do you think?? Man, I still feel lost and overwhelmed here!
I looked for the Ashley store but couldnt find it....a Slumberland was where it used to be...they said Ashley went out of business but the guy in Slumberland showed me what he had in the way of Latex.....It was a Simmons latex mattress that was on clearance on a different companies box springs...cant remember the name of it. He said it was an unmatched set that used to be $1400 on clearance for $898 and with no warranty. Didnt think this sounded to good....Then he directed me to some other bedding called NxG memory foam....I have no idea what was in it. He just said it was new and much better than tempurpedic cuz it had no hot issues or sinking in problems....made by Simmons. It felt nice too but not sure what is in it so just thanked him and left.
Lastly, I seen a site today that looked interesting called Arizona Premium Mattress Co...They had some latex mattesses and other eco friendly type mattresses that had a new type of eco friendly memory foam....have you heard of them? I wondered what you thought of their mattresses? That was today's looking...what do you think?? Any advice/suggestions at this point?? Thanks... sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: OK lets take this one step at a time through the 5 steps I posted earlier. 1. Flopping ... Did you flop and lay on a bunch of mattresses of any kind (this part doesn't have to be latex). What overall feel did you like best? 2. Pressure relief ... Which mattresses with latex in the top (doesn't matter what is under this top part in this step ... even springs are fine) did you lie on for a while and find that you didn't have pressure points. What was the ILD or softness of the top layer of latex in these? See below. 3. Not sure if you got this far. Did you get as far as testing any mattresses for how they aligned your spine? Lebeda ... They have 5 mattresses with latex in the top that they emailed me the specs for when I was doing my research. 4 of them are talalay latex over something else (dunlop or poly) and one of them is pure dunlop. They are called the Grand Teton, The Acadia, The Shenandoah, The Yosemite, and The Acadia. From what you've said they also have 2 with latex over springs which I don't have specs for. What we need to know is which of these 5 did you like in step 2? I have the specs so you don't need to ask with these (although it would be good practice). I also would need to know which of the two (if any) spring models worked for you in step 2 and what were the specs of the top latex layer in these (thickness and softness). Your questions here and your experiences as they relate to specific mattresses and models are what we need now. L&W ... I thought that they would be too firm. I would wait until he confirms how much it would cost to add at least 2" of softer latex to each side before I went any further here since you would need them on the showroom floor at this testing stage. Slumberland ... They have some mattresses called Simmons natural care that have latex in the top (with some poly). Did you lie on any of these? If you did how did they go with step 1 and 2 and what were the models you liked. Dunlop (Dunlopia) is one of the 2 ways that latex is made. Latex is often seen over springs and over poly as well. I am very familiar with Arizon premium mattress company and I've mentioned them favorably in several threads. For now though ... since you don't live in Arizona ... It's the lay on bed experience and the specific information that comes from that through your specific questions that we need before I would consider a manufacturer that can build to your specs. Next step is to "fill in the blanks" from your experiences today. This may involve checking out some of the mattresses you lay on and testing for specific things in step 2 (pressure) and step 3 (keeping your spine straight) and then getting the specs of the ones that fit for you. I would also broaden your search to a few other stores (there are lots around you) but FIRST phone them and ask them if they have any all latex mattresses with less than 1" of poly on top and/or if they have any mattresses with at least 3" of latex on top of something else. If they don't have this they aren't worth going to. Don't forget that we are in testing stage and the goal here is to find out what works ... not what to buy. Deciding what to buy and looking at price is the very last step and really not important at his point. If a mattress has latex in the top or is all latex then it is your plaground and research lab ... no matter what it costs. NXG is memory foam and not something I would consider adding to the mix at this point. Lets keep it to latex and latex over something else for now. Phoenix sjeanine wrote: OK lets take this one step at a time through the 5 steps I posted earlier. 1. Flopping ... Did you flop and lay on a bunch of mattresses of any kind (this part doesn't have to be latex). No, just laid on three latex mattresses since that was what I was after. What overall feel did you like best? Yes, I laid on the "Reve" for $2399...which had springs so it could not be flipped but it felt the most comfortable one to me, at Lebeda. She said it was 4" of Dunlopia latex on 805 springs and 33 ild. I also laid on the $1500 33 ild 8" pure dunlopia latex...had a bamboo ticking...it was ok but felt firmer than the 4" on springs....weird. 2. Pressure relief ... Which mattresses with latex in the top (doesn't matter what is under this top part in this step ... even springs are fine) did you lie on for a while and find that you didn't have pressure points. What was the ILD or softness of the top layer of latex in these? See below. 33 ild on all the Lebeda's that she showed me in the store. She said that was all she had in latex. The one latex mattress at the LW Bedding was stiff and hurt my shoulder a bit when I layed on it and the owner told me that all mattresses are going to hurt your shoulders if you lie on them long enough on your sides....The Reve at Lebeda felt the softest and had the least pressure points to my shoulder but still could've been softer I think for me.... 3. Not sure if you got this far. Did you get as far as testing any mattresses for how they aligned your spine? I asked my son, age 11, if my spine looked straight but he wasnt sure...the manager at lebeda said it did...of course she would....and so did the guy at LW Bedding. I didnt lay on any of the mattresses at Slumberland. The sales person didnt seem very willing to talk about specs and I didnt think he seemed to knowledgeable. Lebeda ... They have 5 mattresses with latex in the top that they emailed me the specs for when I was doing my research. 4 of them are talalay latex over something else (dunlop or poly) and one of them is pure dunlop. They are called the Grand Teton, The Acadia, The Shenandoah, The Yosemite, and The Acadia. From what you've said they also have 2 with latex over springs which I don't have specs for. What we need to know is which of these 5 did you like in step 2? Hmmm, maybe I better go back again and see if there was some other beds she didnt show me but I did ask if that was all the latex beds she had and she said yes. I have the specs so you don't need to ask with these (although it would be good practice). I also would need to know which of the two (if any) spring models worked for you in step 2 and how thick and what were the specs of the top latex layer in these (thickness and softness). Your questions here and your experiences as they relate to specific mattresses and models are what we need now. Reve was 4" of dunlopia over springs and it felt the best to me but still a little pressure on my shoulder....it was 33 ild. L&W ... I thought that they would be too firm. I would wait until he confirms how much it would cost to add at least 2" of softer latex to each side before I went any further here since you would need them on the showroom floor at this testing stage. Ok, thanks.). Slumberland ... They have some mattresses called Simmons natural care that have latex in the top (with some poly). Did you lie on any of these? If you did how did they go with step 1 and 2 and what were the models you liked. No, I was only shown the one latex Simmons on clearance and then that other memory foam...He said it was all they had and I did not lay on either of them. Dunlop (Dunlopia) is one of the 2 ways that latex is made. Latex is often seen over springs and over poly as well. I am very familiar with Arizon premium mattress company and I've mentioned them favorably in several threads. For now though ... since you don't live in Arizona ... It's the lay on bed experience and the specific information that comes from that through your specific questions that we need before I would consider a manufacturer that can build to your specs. Ok, I can go to Denver Mattress in Davenport, Iowa tommorrow or Friday probably and see what they have. But, online I seen their specs showed the Snowqueen, or some name like that, had some sort of PU foam...what is that?? I just dont want any chemicals.... Next step is to "fill in the blanks" from your experiences today. This may involve checking out some of the mattresses you lay on and testing for specific things in step 2 (pressure) and step 3 (keeping your spine straight) and then getting the specs of the ones that fit for you. I would also broaden your search to a few other stores (there are lots around you) but FIRST phone them and ask them if they have any all latex mattresses with less than 1" of poly on top and/or if they have any mattresses with at least 3" of latex on top of something else. If they don't have this they aren't worth going to. Ok, will do....will go out again tomorrow and Friday...possibly hitting up Lebeda again...and Denver Mattress Co. NXG is memory foam and not something I would consider adding to the mix at this point. Lets keep it to latex and latex over something else for now. K...thanks Phoenix...I'll report back when I learn more! ; ) Phoenix
Phoenix wrote: Just to be a little more specific here ... I would do a little more prelim research on the phone before you go out again. The specs of the mattresses you lay on that you haven't alread menioned and finding out if they have the models they told me they did can be done on the phone before you go there. Finding out which other stores have latex mattresses can also be done at home. The more you can do on the phone the more fun and the less frustrating and confusing going to stores will be. I think you may be sort of "mixing up steps". Keep each one separate for now so on each mattress you lay on you are looking for one thing at a time specifically. Step 1. is about overall feel. Softness, bounciness, plushness, and just the ahhh feeling. This tells us a bit about the overall construction you may like. In this step it makes absolutely no difference what mattresses you try or even if they have any latex in them ... it only matters that you know the make and model of the ones you liked and whether they felt plush, firm, bouncy, and all the other "feelings" that come to mind as you flop, lay, and roll around on them. It's just about an overall feel that you like. Step 2 is specifically about finding out about a mattresses ability to relieve pressure. We want to know what kind of top layers work for you here. A mattress with an inch or less of poly in the top is still very helpful here since we are not thinking about actually buying anything you are "testing" for now ... only gathering information about what fits your needs. Step 3 is about testing the mattresses that worked for you in step 2 for support and spinal alignment. It's still not about buying anything but about finding what type of deep support works for you. Even latex on springs and then knowing what kind of springs worked would help to know what kind of latex would give similar support. Dont worry about whether any of the mattresses you "use" to gather information would actually be suitable for you. It's the information we want ... so we can put together an idea of your perfect mattress. None of the one's you test may be perfect but knowing what works and doesn't would give a much better idea of how to put together a "do it yourself" if that ends up being the way to go. Hope this helps a bit. Just treat all the stores as your playground and research lab no matter what their mattresses cost. Do as much on the phone as you can. And most of all have fun with this. We will get there if you go only one step at a time. Phoenix
Phoenix wrote: Do a google search for "mattress moline illinois" and you will get a list of stores. One called the back store will also be helpful (It has OMI mattresses) but there are lots more. then do a google search on the other 3 parts of the quad cities to see if you get any more. You will get lots of options and then call the ones that you think are worth it and ask them specific questions about what they have before you decide where to go. If I can find them ... so can you :) Phoenix This message was modified Nov 18, 2010 by Phoenix
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Phoenix,
Wow....It's been a loooong day today! Lol and I'm tired of looking at mattresses! I hate car shopping cuz of all the sales pitches and that's how I'm feeling today...especially after looking last week! lol I took my dh with me today and he started out sort of non-chalant...sort of dont really care attitude and told me he could sleep on a rock so just take my time and try and figure out what works for me. Ok, so....the very first store we stopped at was Denver Mattress....I found out we had one right in Moline, IL...thanks to dh....he knew, I didnt. Anyways, I laid on the Snowqueen/mass but within 5 minutes my right shoulder was hurting pretty bad so switched over to my back, also hurting, so I got off and walked around a bit....My husband did tell me that my spine looked aligned on it. The salesman, Jed, also the manager, said he did not know the ILD but wanted to show us another bed with latex in it....a Snowmass Plush. So, we went over to the next latex bed and I laid down that one...I laid on my left side, which wasnt hurting, laid there for 5 minutes with no pressure pain then rolled over to my back. After 5 minutes my lower back actually started hurting and Jed heard me tell my husband that so he said he wanted me to stay there for a few more minutes to see if he could stop my back from hurting. I said ok and he pulled out a remote control thing that started raising the head and foot of the bed...which did relieve the pressure on my back. He told me that I really needed to just buy that bed with this ergonomic bed frame and learn to sleep on my back, which he said would be better for me anyway and get over sleeping on my sides...which he said was actually worse for me. Now, suddenly my husband who had no interest in a bed whatsoever was all about buying this bed when he saw that!! LOL!! I told him that we were just looking and not interesed in buying right now and this guy started throwing all kinds of things our way to try and make a sell!! Unbelieveable!! To make a long story short, had to leave there with dh pouting about it but I reminded him why he was there in the first place....to HELP me find a bed that I could live with and he was fine again. We were in that store a looooong time!! Ok, now glad to be out of there cuz both beds were really pretty hard and uncomfortable to me in a short amount of time...we headed to Lifestyles/Platform Beds....The store manager, Megan, who helped us, said they had NO latex mattresses in the store at all and that there were none on order or any that could be ordered. She said they pretty much carried Tempurpedics and Dormia's...which she said were a "knock off" of Tempurpedics. She said she wasnt sure what was in them, just some sort of memory foam. Anyway, I told her we were just wanting to lay on some beds awhile to see what would be comfortable and that we might be there awhile so she left us and went to help others....leaving me to be able to try out the beds with no pressure like the Denver guy gave us! First, the Dormia Classic...the alignment looked ok but I did feel a bit like I was sinking. No pain, even after 15 minutes...5 on ea shoulder and my back. We moved on to the Dormia Ultra.....I felt a little more support on this one with no pressure point pain...lower back was fine and alignment was great, according to dh. I did not see another Dormia so just for the heck of it I tried out a Tempurpedic...felt great at first but after about ten minutes of being on it I felt I was sinking in to much and I was ready to go. Lastly, we went to lunch and then off to the Lebeda store....I know it wasnt on my agenda originally but my dh was wanting to see what I looked at last week so we went again...for my third time! Lol! I'm glad I did cuz the guy who helped us, Ray, I think...showed me a couple more beds that I didnt realize had latex in them when I was there before. I even asked if I had seen everything with latex but somehow there must've been a misunderstanding....Anyway, this time, I kept asking if there were any more beds with any latex so he kept showing me them. The models the store had were: Reve, Opulence, Latex by Nature and the Bastogne. The Latex by Nature was the 28 ILD and my dh said my spine looked lined up....I felt just a little pressure pain in my rt shoulder after 5 minutes. Then, the Opulence, which felt wonderful with no pressure pain at all and my dh said spine looked aligned good. (It was over $3100 so he wasnt so happy that I liked it.) lol The salesman wasnt sure of the ILD but thought it was around 26 or 28.... He said it prob just felt better cuz it had springs inside the top 4 inches that were on top of box springs....I reached down and could feel the springs about 2" below the inside of the latex...huh. It really did feel comfortable but not sure why....I thought springs would make it harder and hurt easier. Then I tried out the Reve....ILD was 22 and it was a spring mattress with 4 inches of latex on top. My dh said my alignment was a little off and I started actually feeling a little sore in my shoulders after about ten minutes...maybe cuz they were getting sore from all the trying out of beds...or the springs below the 4 inches!? lol Lastly, I tried out the Barogne, which they had displayed in a queen as well as a king. I really liked the comfort of this bed the best I think...this one and the Opulence...no pressure pain or back pain...He wasnt sure of the ILD and my dh said alinement was fine. We were in here a long time as well and now I'm pooped out and glad to be home but not looking forward to another painful night in my own bed. : ( Anyway, that's our shopping experience with mattresses again today. There was a message from the L&W guy but he didnt leave me a price quote...just said to call him back on Monday. What are your thoughts?
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My overall sense is that you did well and that you probably now have enough information to go with a "build your own". I will look at the one's you tried and confirm the pattern that I think is developing. What the salesman said about "learning to lie on your back" and "needing an adjustable" is absolute hogwash. They are really nice (I have one myself) but they are not a "necessity" in any way. So were any "fake offers" if you buy now. Believe me you can do better than anything they could possibly offer you. The whole purpose of this excercise was to try to get to a place where there was a reasonable assurance that you liked latex in the first place and second that we could know the makeup of a bed that was suitable for you ... or at least close enough that a layer exchange could fix any problems with a do it yourself. That's why it didn't matter how expensive any beds were that you lay on because it was unlikely that any of them would have been your best value anyway. If in doing your research you did find one that was perfect AND was better value than anything you could do otherwise, then that would have been a bonus but my sense was that outside of Lebeda, your odds of finding anything that you should end up buying was unlikely ... and depending on their prices it may even be unlikely there as well. It was the research that was important. I'll take a look at what you told me and post more later. Phoenix PS: I can see why you liked the opulance as it has microcoils in it over the innerspring. I tried a mattress very similar to this one from a local manufacturer here and it was one of my favorites in terms of how it felt ... except it was less than half the cost. There are several places in my list that sell these at better prices but for now I'm more interested in the fact you liked it than I am thinking it's something you should buy :) This message was modified Nov 21, 2010 by Phoenix
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All the Denver sites are listed on their website :). I didn't know that they had a "Snowmass plush" and was going to ask you if you had layed on the Aspen as I had asked in my last post but on a whim I called them and confirmed what I thought had happened. I talked to someone there that remembered you and your other half coming in and they confirmed that the other mattress you lay on there was the Aspen and that they don't have a "Snowmass plush" lol. The (rough) specs for both of these are on their website and the Aspen is a much softer mattress on top. I would have preferred it as well and I'm glad you did lay on it as that helps to confirm the direction for your "perfect mattress". What the "store manager" told you about the Dormia is also not correct and she may not even know that there are some waiting to be set up. The person I talked to there was a guy. It is usually better to do this stuff on the phone rather than in person so you don't get tired and frustrated with the travel and not finding what you needed to find. It also helps to "come in new" when you visit places rather than come back too many times in some cases. Some places will just "turn off" if you come back too often and others like Lebeda will continue to help you but may get a bit frustrated when it seems that the likelihood of making a sale is low or that they're not making progress. It is always better to first use the phone before you go somewhere ... even if they are very close by. A phone call would have confirmed that there was no real reason to go to a couple of places you went to today and saved you a "loooooong time" lol. I'm glad you went back to Lebeda though, your experience there and at Denver was really helpful. Phoenix This message was modified Nov 21, 2010 by Phoenix
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OK, it is pretty clear to me in general what you like and need. I just need to know or confirm a couple of things before I go into more details. What is the size of mattress you would prefer. What is the mid point of your budget (the amount you would like to stay under but that you would consider going over if you found something that was "special" at a great price? Phoenix |
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Phoenix wrote: OK, it is pretty clear to me in general what you like and need. I just need to know or confirm a couple of things before I go into more details.
What is the size of mattress you would prefer. What is the mid point of your budget (the amount you would like to stay under but that you would consider going over if you found something that was "special" at a great price? Phoenix We're looking for a Queen size...We have a full right now and our room is to small for a King but a Queen would be a great upgrade. We're hoping to find something around $1200-1500...under would be great...over would not be so great but, if it's a really great mattress we'd prob go over a little...thanks for your help! ; ) |
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OK ... one last question before I post some of my thoughts. How would you describe your (both of you) weight distribution and body shape. Are either of you narrow waisted with much wider hips and shoulders (like an hourglass), wider and/or heavier in the hips (like a pear point up), wider and heavier in the shoulders (pear point down), or more evenly proportioned (shoulder and hips not so much wider than waist or more like a rectangle with a smaller dip in the middle), or "other" (in which case please describe). Phoenix This message was modified Nov 21, 2010 by Phoenix
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Phoenix wrote: OK ... one last question before I post some of my thoughts. How would you describe your (both of you) weight distribution and body shape. Are either of you narrow waisted with much wider hips and shoulders (like an hourglass), wider and/or heavier in the hips (like a pear point up), wider and heavier in the shoulders (pear point down), or more evenly proportioned (shoulder and hips not so much wider than waist or more like a rectangle with a smaller dip in the middle), or "other" (in which case please describe).
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OK, So I'm going to work with "rectangle with a dip in the middle" construction:) Here's what I'm thinking from your experiences. You really liked the Opulance and the Bastogne which are both microcoils in a pillowtop. Microcoils are made to be very soft and conforming (unlike the "support springs in a mattress) and would feel in their own way similar to softer latex where you have a feeling of "supportive softness" in the top layers. They would both give you a sense that the mattress was conforming to your shape and being supportive at the same time. You also liked the Reve better than others and it is softer than others you tried but the top softer part is probably too thick which is why you were "out of alignment". You also liked the Aspen better than the Snowmass which again confirms that a softer talalay which conforms to you and relieves pressure is what we're after. Some of your other feedback confirms this as well. You were also mentioning that you felt good on the Aspen but then your back started to hurt. This tells me that the combination of 2" of softer talalay over 1" super soft poly over another 4" of medium talalay lets you sink in too far. It was good for side pressure relief but not so good on your back. You were probably hyperextending your lower back as your lower body would sink in too far in this position. Your experience with the Dormia and Tempurpedic says once again that you need pressure relief but that sinking in too far (a tendency of memory foams and particular the less expensive ones with less dense foam like the Dormia) is not good for you. You need reasonable support for your weight under your comfort layer but not so firm that it causes pressure issues if you go through the top layer a bit. Because you are not at the place where you know exactly the specific ILD's that you would need in a mattress ... I believe that your best option is to make your own with a layered approach rather than a custom built manufactured approach which would not let you change it afterwards at a reasonable cost if any shipping was involved. So here are your options as I see them. 1. PHONE L & W and ask them if they could make you a mattress with a 32 ILD 6 " core with 2" of 22 ILD latex above that with a quilted cotton cover with some wool in it and ask them what it would cost. Then ask them if they could do the same thing wih 3" of latex above the core and get the price for that as well. Make it clear that you are close to a final decision and you are looking at your final options. Then ask them if you are able to do any kind of a comfort exchange and if so what would it cost you. 2. PHONE Lebeda and ask them the same things as you did with L & W. (both 2" and 3" over a 6" core). At this point it doesn't matter if they can make it EXACTLY like this ... we are more interested in their price for the type of construction you are looking at so if they could do something very similar, get the price for that. You have several options for either an 8" or 9" layered latex mattress and they would all be in the range of what you would need. The cost in a queen would be from around $1000 to around $1600 at the high end and the high end would only be because you chose all natural Talalay which adds a bit to the cost. There are even some options that we could go a fair bit less than this if we need to. Of course you also need a foundation (not a boxspring) to put your mattress on then that would add a bit to the overall cost as well. You have several options here as well including buying an inexpensive one from wherever you buy your mattress from. If your SO really did like the adjustable bed then this would be a lot more than a foundation and would put you over your budget.... but he may decide he likes the idea anyway (laughing). In any case, let me know if you have a foundation (the floor would be OK for the short term but not long term as your mattress would have trouble breathing), and also let me know the result of your two phone calls to L&W and Lebeda. Then we look at online options and choose whatever is best for you. We are almost there :) Phoenix This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by Phoenix
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Hi I just got home and wanted to let you know what I've found out so far, since I will be having to leave again shortly and wont be able to report anything until later this evening or tomorrow. I am still waiting to hear back from John, from L&W Mattress but, I have heard back from Lebeda and I want to say this, I would not buy a mattress from the Moline Lebeda store now unless Barb, the manager, is no longer there! This woman sounded like a demon when I called today about the mattress costs! She was so mean and nasty sounding and she acted mad that you had called there in my behalf. She said you had and I said, "yes, that is fine; he is helping me." She did not like that at all!!! Her voice was very nasty and as I was asking her about a price quote, she told me that it was going to be very expensive and probably not what I'd want, how it wouldnt prob meet firecodes, etc.... I suddenly realized, as I was reading (to myself) your reply above, which I had printed out and taken with me, that the specs were almost exactly what the salesman there, Ray, had checked on for me last week. He was very knowledgeable and nice and made a quick phone call and told me that they could make a mattress like the one they had on the floor, with 6 inches of a core latex, 33 ILD and put a 2 in 22 ILD latex on top for no additional charge of what their 100% 6" latex bed was...I think it was $1500. But, he'd said it would not include the 30 day return or exchange...only the normal warranty and only on one side. So.....when I suddenly remembered I'd already had this quote given to me, and this woman was being very rude and nasty anyway, I just said, "You know what? I just realized I was already quoted a price from Ray on this set last week." She got even madder and said, "Well, I'm the manager, not Ray and you didnt go thru me!" I ask you, Phoenix, why would that matter??? So, I went on and repeated what I wanted because she just went off on a rampage and kept repeating herself about being the manager and me needing to go thru her... This woman just kept butting in and interrupting me while I was trying to tell her what I wanted and just kept saying, "it's going to be really expensive, probably wont meet the fire code and you should've talked to me cuz I'm the manager and what Ray told you didnt matter since it didnt go thru me!!" She practically hung the phone up on me and I didnt even get out that I wanted a quilted cotton cover with some wool in it..but, I do remember telling Ray that last week. Barb called me back after a bit and quoted me a price that was higher than the original price that they told Ray it would be....Ray said they told him there'd be no extra charge for doing all that....now it's about two hundred dollars higher...coming from her. I told her thank you and that I'd get back with her and she just slammed the phone down on me. Then I tried to call L & W back since they'd tried and left a msg while I was talking to her. Unfortunately, I was driving at the time and I asked my son to call back the last number that I missed and he somehow recalled Lebeda....OMG!! This woman about went thru the phone when I asked for John at L & W! She said angrily, "This is LEBEDA!!!!" Lol....and I just said, "Oh, sorry, I called the wrong number" and hung up before she could say another word! Wow! I sure will be glad when we get all done with this. What a learning experience! When I did call John back at L & W, he was soooo nice and told me he'd get back with me and that he could make me whatever I wanted and he could do it two sided so that I could flip it if I wanted. He said he always makes his mattresses two sided cuz he felt all mattresses should be able to be flipped. He just said he wasnt sure if he could get a 22 ILD from Latex International so he needed to get hold of them first before quoting me a price. So, I'll write again when I get more info.... This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by sjeanine
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Wow ... is that ever bizarre ... especially considering that you are down to knowing close to what you want and were looking for a quote. That's usually when people become very friendly and try to do their best for you. Oh well, it doesn't matter in the end if either of them can give you a good quote since there are so many online options who can ... it's just nice sometimes if you can get the same benefits locally. I think it's safe to rule them out. Funny too ... when I was calling a lot of manufacturers looking for prices on a rough configuration, they quoted me $1399 for 6 + 2 although I didn't specify any ILD's or other details. I'll wait until you hear from L&W and then we can look at a few other options and compare them so you can make some final decisions and order a mattress :) Phoenix This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by Phoenix
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