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I became interested in memory foam due to the reported extra pressure relieving properties and I might get a motion adjustable base in a year or two to facilitate back sleeping (that would be better for my shoulder).

I probably won't get the Revolution delivered until June 12th.  I have laid on it a heck of a lot at Sears, both a twin xl and a queen.  The revolution is very plush and it seems to give me enough support in the store.  The real test will be here at home.

I'll keep you posted.

. She weighs 135.bs, where I weigh 210 lbs or so, so maybe that also has something to do with the breaking in of the bed. Her bed has no squishy spots in it and is very supportive on your lower back, especially for your SI joints. I laid on it for about an hour and a half yesterday and if felt great. My back pain actually started to go away as I laid on my side on her bed. Her bed feels harder and more firm, even then the floor model was that I tried at the store. (I actually prefer softer cushier beds myself, not firmer ones as they hurt my upper back then) My bed by comparison seems more soft everywhere ,especially where I sleep which is in the middle of the bed. I  am very confused now, as I am not getting a lot of sleep from the care taking, and sleeping in different beds, and my back is constantly hurting now even when I sleep on the Icomfort bed. I think I need to give this bed more time and get some more chiropractic adjustments first.

As for my opnion on it being forgiving and soft enough for your upper body, namely your shoulders sinking into the bed when you are sleeping on your side, I find that very comfortable. I am 90% to 95% a side sleeper and I roll around from side to side all night and this bed is very soft, supportive, and comforting on my upper back. My lower back is another story and not sure if it's me and my back is out, or if it's the bed and I maybe got a dud. The bed still sleeps very comfortable neither being too hot nor too cold. Just perfect. I still like everything about this bed and if I could trade mine for my sisters I would be a happy camper as hers is plenty supportive and almost needs to be broken in a little more. By the way, I didn't try and break my bed in at all. Like walking around on it to make the foam softer which is what a lot of people do with tempurpedics. Going to ask my chiropractor today if it is normal to get back pain when getting used to a new bed. I guess I want to hear it from a doctor and not just some sales person.

As for the Tempurpedic Classic, do I regret trading that bed in for this bed?? Maybe, not sure yet. All I know is the Tempurpedic Classic was like sleeping on a rock and I have rarely ever had upper back pain and muscle stiffness that bad after having slept on that bed for only 4 or 5 days. On an interesting side note, when I went to trade in my Tempurpedic Classic for the Icomfort Revolution, I did think about buying the Tempurpedic Rhapsody bed which is a way cushier bed in the Tempurpedic line and one of their most popular along with the Cloud. My store has a clearance center and all of the trial beds through Tempurpedic that customers return to exchange for something else, they re-sell them at a fairly decent discounted rate. (I guess it's legal in my state to do that??) The Tempurpedic Rhapsody bed which I tried had been on a 90 trial and was returned and what I found really interesting is that it had a small rut in it already after only 90 days. The bed didn't look totally flat, so I layed a long flat box across the bed(because I didn't have a measuring stick) when the salesguy wasn't around, and there was already a 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch impression or dip in the mattress. This was after I hadn't sat on the mattress for a good 10 minutes. That is what I worried about in buying one of the higher end tempurpedic beds that are super soft on cushy. Not sure about the longevity of them resisting permanent body impressions, even though Tempurpedic is such a proven brand.

Sorry, another long email again. Burning the midnight oil taking care of my sister. Will post again in a couple of days after some chiropractic care as well as a few more nights on the bed.

Moonshine

As far as sitting up in bed for an extended period of time, I haven't done that to watch tv, but I have done that playing on my computer. Sometimes for several hourse. And you are correct to some extent, your butt does sink down into the bed more and after a while it does kind of hurt your back a little bit. I wasn't using pillows behind or on the side of me though. I was just leaning against the headboard which was against the wall and sitting up almost at a 90 degree angle. From me personal experience over the last three years with my Glideaway memory foam bed, I would think that if you weren't at such a harsh angle sitting straight up, but leaning back more, espeically with pillows that it would be a lot more comfortable and your butt wouldn't sink into the bed as much. I hope this helps and if you have any other questions don't hesitate to message me. I will go ahead and put this post on the the board under my other posts so other people can see it too. Thanks for the good idea!!

Just in case anyone wondered

Moonshine

most firm - Genius - there is a 2" layer of support foam underneath the layer of Gel foam.  This gives the firmest feel to me

next - Insight - No 2" support foam that the Genius has, so the feel is a little more Plush.  For me, it's actually pretty darn good, and at $899 twin XL set at Sears, it seems a decent value

next - Prodigy - This has an additional layer of 1" Latex foam.  To me, it is a bit firmer than the Revolution, although it is still a Plush feel.

most Plush of all - Revolution - Hands down for me the most Plush of the 4.  This is the one I'm exchanging to.  I don't feel any twist of my back in the store.  The real test will be at home.

All four of these beds feel of high quality to me and I'm looking forward to the Revolution.

I liked the adjustable base bed.  I tried it on a Revolution Queen.  There's auto buttons for TV/PC, and sleep.  Head raises, foot raises or both.  Seperate head and foot massage.  Not an expert on these, but I liked it.

It stinks a little bit how Seta prices these.  For example the only difference between an Insight and Revolution is 2" of Kool Action memory foam, yet the Revolution is $700 more than Insight.  Ouch.  Prodigy has 1" layer of latex foam over Revolution and price jumps $500.  Not so easy on the wallet, but can't say I can make one of these at home.  I won't be trying anything like a Novaform from Costco or Aerus from WalMart as they give no indication they make a twin XL which is all I have room for.  Still, the $500 ish prices leave me thinking they are of a little less quality than iComfort.  

Two interesting choices you picked out as I've laid on both.  Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme is $2350 in twin XL with fixed foundation, so it's pricey.  Revolution is $1,599 as twin XL set with 9" foundation.  Clean $750 difference right there.

I sort of doubt the Tempurpedic Cloud's will sleep warm.  Maybe it depends more on the individual.  I have no experience with memory foam mattresses at home though.

The biggest thing is here in SF Bay Area, tempurpedics are sold through the major chains like Sleep Train and Mancini's whereas iComfort is not sold at either but are sold at the major department stores Sears and JCPenney.  I find the prices a little easier at Sears and less sales pressure, so that's working for me better at this point. 
 

I sure hope I don't find that with the iComfort Revolution because as said before, I've really found it to be the most Plush model of all four, and it of course is memory foam.

The only way I will know is to have it here and sleep on it.  I can't detect any sort of excess warmth laying on it for 20 minutes in the store.
 

You may think that 3/8 of an inch is nothing, but the manufacturer replacement requirements for Tempurpedic and the Serta Icomfort are 3/4 of an inch. Once you have 3/4 of an inch, they replace the bed for free. Memory foam beds aren't supposed to get horrible body impressions like innnersprings, which is why they only require 3/4 of an inch for them to be defective.

Thankfully, I called my store and despite the fact that I already did my one bed exchange, they allowed me to take back the Tempurpedic Classic which was the original bed that I had purchased as they still had it in their warehouse and hadn't sent it back to Tempurpedic yet. I think I probably got a dud in the Icomfort bed, because my sisters bed is still great, feels a lot firmer than mine, and she still loves it.

My official final opinion on the Icomfort Revolution bed is it's a very astecially pleasing bed to look at and it seems to be very comfortable in the showroom of whatever store you happen to be shopping at. I do think that there are quality control issues though and I am not the only one on this forum who has had a problem like this. The bed is either way too soft or way to hard upon receiving it. You may get the bed and it will be perfect and feel just like in the showroom. Or, it may have problems with the durability of the elasticity of the foam. My sister loves hers, but based on my experience I wouldn't recommend this bed. This bed has only been on the market for about a year, and has only been available to certain mattress stores for about 6 months. If you are thinking of getting a quality memory foam mattress, I would stick to something that is tried and true and has proven itself over many years and get a Tempurpedic.

Finally, ask yourself this: why is that that there are so many used tempurpedics for sale second hand on places like craigslist or ebay and they are still in good condition after the original owner has slep ton  them for 5 or even 7 years. Plus, they hold their value quite well second hand. I paid $1,799 for my queen Tempurpedic Classic brand new and I have seen them going used on craigslist for an average price of $500-$700. And that is after they are already 5 or 6 years old. I only know this as after I got the Serta Icomfrot and found I couldn't sleep on it, I got desperate and started looking for a used tempurpedic. And they sell really fast at those used prices too. Almost everyone I talked to who was getting rid of theirs was either upgrading to a higher end tempurpedic, getting a different size tempurpedic, or they were moving for some reason.

Didn't mean to get off topic with the Tempurpedic talk, but for those of you considering the Icomfort beds, my advice is to not rule out the Tempurpedics.

Thanks!!

Plus, we have a local mfr. that sells direct to the public out of his showroom in front/warehouse in back.  Low prices.  That's my next move if below doesn't work out ...

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My iComfort Revolution is due for delivery tomorrow from Sears.  It is coming as my one time comfort exchange after having my S&F set for 3 weeks.  The Revolution is more expensive.  My plan is to put the S&F set in another room and not let them take it until I've checked out the Revolution best as possible.  I'll try to feel the Revolution a bit while still in the bag, if possible.  I won't sign for the Revolution if it feels nothing like the store models (I've tried it in 3 different stores for lots of time.  They are all very similar).

I don't believe one bit in a 'break in' period for these Revolution beds.  They are simply a 7" layer of polyurethane support foam, 2 3/4" of gel memory foam and 2" of 'Kool Komfort' memory foam on top layer.  I don't want to have to walk around on my mattress or any other stuff that Sleep Train mentioned might be necessary to loosen up some Tempurpedic beds.

If I don't sign for the Revolution, I need to hurry and push for a return on the S&F set.  The 30 days is up on the 17th. btw, the S&F set is a Plush tight top.  It's ok, but as a side sleeper, I'm seeking maximum pressure relief for shoulders.  S&F 'Variable Response Technology' (fancy name for polyurethane foam) does not provide pressure relief anything like quality latex (couldn't find good latex bed at Sears, so next best is memory foam, I hope)

If the Revolution in only good after a week or so, I return it and will take the 15% restocking fee hit.  If it's really good for a couple weeks, likely will keep it.

This is a wild guess, but I sometimes wonder if the manufacturers put in premium materials on the retail floor models, then they put cheaper or lower grade foams and materials into the units delivered to customers.  The reason I suspect that is the equivalent of my S&F base model mattress in Sears has apparently been a floor model two years.  I don't see body indentations on it.  Mine formed body indentations after a week.  There is also some wrinkling my top fabric/ticking which indicates compressed foam.  Mine compresses and a floor model doesn't?